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to think it's about time we got rid of the Monarchy?

313 replies

clayspaniel · 20/09/2014 13:55

Now that the Scotland referendum is over, does anyone else think it is now time to have a complete constitutional reform, and discontinue the role of the Queen and all her associated hangers-on?

OP posts:
Bettercallsaul1 · 20/09/2014 16:16

I agree completely, OP - the monarchy is an anachronism in this day and age and very harmful to our ideals of equality and democracy. I think, however, that many people would be reluctant to get rid of the Queen as she has carried out her duties so conscientiously and seriously throughout her reign and should therefore be allowed to finish it. Charles, on the other hand, completely lacks her personal appeal -and is much more flagrantly self-interested in his actions - and I can see the republican cause gaining many new members when he takes over! It should not, of course, be influenced by the personalities of the incumbents - it's a matter of very important principle - but sometimes the right thing happens for the wrong reasons!

SevenZarkSeven · 20/09/2014 16:18

YY clare balding might be good

SevenZarkSeven · 20/09/2014 16:18

I think my position in this debate could be summed up as "better the devil you know" really.

morethanpotatoprints · 20/09/2014 16:28

I wouldn't like an elected presidency. The Royals can stay for me.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/09/2014 16:31

I'm afraid I find the whole "subject status" thing infantalising, outdated and massively overdue for change - preferably when the Queen goes

It's not about the money, since a president would probably cost as much if not more; it's just that the whole thing no longer seems to "fit" any more, and at least with an elected head of state they can be removed

Charles and his ghastly partner are a whole other issue of course, but as I've said it's not really about individuals for me - more the whole concept

sunbathe · 20/09/2014 16:32

YABU. I like having a monarchy.

hmc · 20/09/2014 16:33

I'd love to bin the monarchy but unfortunately we are a nation of cap doffers so I guess Queenie is here to stay

Asheth · 20/09/2014 16:40

Those saying we could end up with Rolf Harris or someone like him - we could with a monarchy. And find it harder to get rid of them.

If they are the eldest child then they are monarch until they die. Who ever they are. I don't doubt we've had sleazy sex offenders on the throne in the past....

TheFairyCaravan · 20/09/2014 16:42

I'd like to get rid once the Queen has died.

I honestly don't see the point of them in a modern society. I can't see that Prince Charles will maintain a dignified or any type of silence over anything, and I think William and Kate are bloody lazy!

SevenZarkSeven · 20/09/2014 16:43

True asheth very true

Still not swayed though Grin

SwedishEdith · 20/09/2014 16:44

Yes that's true asheth

SevenZarkSeven · 20/09/2014 16:45

You need a head of state, TheFairy, it's a sort of standard of international nationdom thing.

You need someone to chat up visiting dignitaries and host boring dinners and go off to places raising our profile for business etc and shit.

Course some places they're political too.

I's rather totally change the house of lords than get rid of the monarchy. They have say over our laws an stuff and the fact there are unelected types in there is terrible.

Captainbarnacles1101 · 20/09/2014 16:48

I agree with Seven! I think the House I Lords has more potential for damage than the Monarchy.

PenisesAreNotPink · 20/09/2014 16:56

I don't believe in monarchy but I really love the Queen.

I honestly think she's done a great job and I really respect her sense of duty and her deep faith.

poolomoomon · 20/09/2014 16:56

yanbu.

We can't call ourselves a democracy without electing the head of state. Doesn't make sense. Royality is an archaic concept anyway, no place in the 21st century. It's back there with public executions and torture IMO.

poolomoomon · 20/09/2014 16:56

yanbu.

We can't call ourselves a democracy without electing the head of state. Doesn't make sense. Royality is an archaic concept anyway, no place in the 21st century. It's back there with public executions and torture IMO.

SwedishEdith · 20/09/2014 16:59

So how do the Scandinavian monarchies work? We all seem to want to live in Scandinavia but they still have monarchies

ILoveTurnips · 20/09/2014 17:17

YANBU. Having a monarchy is outdated and not relevant anymore. Inherited titles/positions are a bizarre and archaic. I would like them phased out. I dont have too much of a problem with them as individuals - they've mostly learnt not to say too much but can you imagine Prince Charles as King. Confused he's a bit of a pillock. understatment

President Blair is not a particularly pleasant thought but at least it would be democratic.

NotYouNaanBread · 20/09/2014 17:21

I'm Irish, although I live in the UK at the moment, so naturally I am a little biased against the monarchy, but honestly, I don't see what they actually contribute to British life beyond a bit of PR, something for the Daily Mail to write about and a substantial security bill every year for the taxpayer. Much of the "work" they undoubtedly do is part of the PR thing, rather than any vital contribution to the wellbeing of the state.

I don't begrudge the Queen (or Prince Charles) any of the wealth in itself, but to have somebody so wealthy in charge of ANY state in this time is inappropriate. This is the era of the middle classes (and it has been since the 40s), like it or not, and to have a relic from a frankly now irrelevant past STILL the head of both the state and the church is pointless, and contributes less to the national psyche than the chattering classes probably believe. An inspirational and well qualified elected president is far better equipped to represent the spirit of the current age.

To make it worse, the monarchy has not recognised its irrelevance, or perhaps better, inappropriateness (probably because the Queen is very old, and known to be a creature of habit), and it has not modernised in the way of other surviving European monarchies, which have pared back and toned the whole glitzy carriage/palaces thing back substantially, and behave more humbly and naturally.

Also, much like the papacy, the institution of monarchy was created at a time when you didn't realistically expect to be an unquestioned ruler for very long - if the people didn't want you, there would be a coup, a battle and off you go! Or if you WERE liked, you died of the flu in your 40's, or got bumped off on the battlefield during an invasion etc. The idea of a monarch (or pope) who JUST KEPT GOING, decade after decade after decade, was never considered (and Queens are far worse for this than Kings - women just keep on living!).

That was far longer than I meant it to be.

LadyRabbit · 20/09/2014 17:37

YANBU OP. Although I think the Queen is pretty awesome, but primarily because she isn't a product of this time. She was raised in a very particular way to always put her duty first. I don't see that with Charles (raised to put his woolly opinions first) or William (raised to pay lip service to the every day person while surrounding himself with trust fund toffs). There's something very Euro trashy about the next gen royals that I find a bit ungainly - I can't quite put my finger on it.

Oh yes, hang on, I can, Prince Andrew. He's the living embodiment of when royalty goes wrong. Dodgy as fuck. And his cousin Linley, taking loans off the Kremlin's banker bloke.

The upcoming lot are all bit icky and vulgar if you ask me.

stoopstoconker · 20/09/2014 18:30

Judy Dench gets my vote

LarrytheCucumber · 20/09/2014 19:39

I think that by the time the Cambridges get to the throne we will have more of a Dutch-style monarchy and they will seem increasingly irrelevant.

financialwizard · 20/09/2014 19:43

I disagree. I think we should keep the monarchy. I do think that Charles should not take the throne though and that it should pass straight to William.

I do think that the royal family should 'slim down' at that point. Although I have a feeling that it will happen naturally anyway.

financialwizard · 20/09/2014 19:43

I disagree. I think we should keep the monarchy. I do think that Charles should not take the throne though and that it should pass straight to William.

I do think that the royal family should 'slim down' at that point. Although I have a feeling that it will happen naturally anyway.

financialwizard · 20/09/2014 19:44

Don't know how I posted that twice. Hmm