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To loathe the council for making this decision about awarding a grant to my disabled dad?

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Truckingalong · 05/09/2014 18:44

My dad has motor neurone disease. He has lived downstairs for several years, with a bed in the living room and a commode in the same place. He has carers 4 times a day. His quality of life is awful. He can't move or speak but is exactly the same guy mentally as he always was. He is hoisted out of bed and seen to by the carers. He goes to the loo in the living room and hasn't had a bath or shower in all these years. My mum is there too. She is very frail, blind and has terminal cancer. I moved in a while back so I could help in whatever way I could - shopping, cleaning, hospital appointments etc. We applied for a grant to convert the garage into a bedroom and wet room. It took 18 months but we finally got there. Mum and dads contribution was assessed as £700. Finance officer came out today to carry out a final review of everything before the work started (builders chosen, designs already drawn etc). During this review, it came up that I lived there. She said this changed everything and that we would now have to pay £6000 rather than £700. We are devastated. We don't have that kind of money. I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach. I said if it came to it, I'd move out. She said they'd now look on that as fraudulently trying to claim the grant. AIBU in feeling that there is no justice and my dad deserves this grant and that the council policy is a bag of steaming horse shit?

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Ididntseeitsoitdidnthappen · 05/09/2014 20:36

Go back to your OT and see if they know anything about it. Sounds like the problem is the district council so try and get the OT/SW on side and fighting your corner

Becca19962014 · 05/09/2014 20:48

Surely they need to know your earnings? I'm not asking what they are but that you live there would not effect their right to the grant. Can you contact whoever helped them to apply for the grant for help? Please complain to social services and mention in it you that you were told not to!! I would also ask to see the policy outlining this 'simple calculation' they are applying as well.

I'm so sorry you are going through this on top of everything else.

MyFairyKing · 05/09/2014 20:55

This isn't my area; I'm a social worker, not an occupational therapist but my understanding was that income of the applicant is assessed and half of any joint income/savings of the partner. I've never heard of household income being taken into account, well not for services anyway. It is different for the DFG?

MiscellaneousAssortment · 05/09/2014 20:55

I have been told alot of 'facts' by well meaning people doing their jobs and who've been trained to believe these things are true.

It's something I personally have found endemic to the adult ss team I deal with. It's such a shame because individuals will be trying to move heaven and earth to help and find ways around the 'rules' they have been taught are absolutely set in stone.

Dig a little and you may well find that the processes and procedures the council have put in place do not meet the legislation which binds them. And some of the regulations and weighting of assessment criteria, or thresholds etc may directly contravene law.

It took me ages to realise this was / is going on, as it seems so counter intuitive, but it absolutely does happen.

Ididntseeitsoitdidnthappen · 05/09/2014 20:56

from the gov.uk site

pudcat · 05/09/2014 20:57

You can appeal a decision about your Disabled Facilities Grant if you’re unhappy with it.

Ask your local council for their appeals and complaints procedure.

If you appeal and you’re still not happy, you can complain to the Local Government Ombudsman.

Get in touch with Social Services, doctor or anyone who can help.

Truckingalong · 05/09/2014 20:58

Going to contact the OT and social worker on Monday. I have a bit of fight emerging now but seriously, they make it so dam difficult. If I wasn't here, there's no way my mum and dad would get the support they so desperately need because you have to fight every step of the way for literally everything.

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MrsPnut · 05/09/2014 20:58

I would contact the original OT that did the assessment along with your local ward councillor and your MP. I don't think the rules are being applied correctly but it's many years since I worked for social services.

Ididntseeitsoitdidnthappen · 05/09/2014 20:59

example calculations from google

missymayhemsmum · 05/09/2014 21:08

Sadly, the DFG financial assessment rules are rigid and silly and the Council have no discretion. However, having assessed the need, Social Services have a duty to provide the assessed facility. So they may be able to put a charge on the property. Or you may be able to get a loan to be repaid when the property is sold. Have you talked to your local Home Improvement Agency? Or Foundations.uk.com?

BerniceBroadside · 05/09/2014 21:12

This would suggest they are talking out of their arses. www.dls.org.uk/advice/factsheet/community_care/disabled_facilities_grants/Disabled_Facilities_Grants.pdf

Page seven under means testing.

I hope you can sort it out.

Truckingalong · 05/09/2014 22:21

Thank you all so much for your support and advice. I'm going to go through it all properly tomorrow once I've rallied!

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Alisvolatpropiis · 05/09/2014 22:29

That is awful. I can't help or offer advice though, I'm sorry.

Lifesalemon · 05/09/2014 23:05

bernice
The document you linked to is from 2009. The rules regarding mandatory grants and discretionary top up loans have definately been amended since then so it is possible that some of the other points are out of date too.

ashtrayheart · 05/09/2014 23:26

If it's not h/hold income then this doesn't seem right- I work for the council (not this area!) and we all have to jump when an mp letter is received, so I would suggest contacting them - most have email addresses available online.

Lifesalemon · 05/09/2014 23:38

Sorry,i'm not really sure of the process now as our work was completed in 2012 and rules change continuously but i made a succesful appeal against an original decision so definately don't give up. As ash suggested talk to your MP. Good luck. Flowers

Notacs · 05/09/2014 23:38

That's absolutely disgusting, OP. I'm so sorry and hope you can get it sorted.

But in the meantime, if you had any doubt at all ... YADNBU!

x2boys · 05/09/2014 23:41

I,m so sorry this does nt seem fair but i have no idea how the law works I hope you get some good advice .

PiperIsOrange · 05/09/2014 23:47

I am livid on your behalf.

I bet the LA view is that the home could be sold ( with no problems) and the (magically) be able to buy a bungalow ( which is not on the market)

Lifesalemon · 05/09/2014 23:58

bernice please ignore my last post addressed to you regarding your link and accept my apologies. Looking at a more recent document, the means testing section doesn't seem to have changed so you are right, if that's the case I agree with you that they do seem to be talking from their arses!Confused

NeedsAsockamnesty · 06/09/2014 00:08

Are you sure this woman was an actual LA employee and not some sort of weird imposter?

Because she's made it up as she's gone along

Darkesteyes · 06/09/2014 00:10

Sorry to hear this OP I think its bloody disgusting. Im sorry i have no advice for you Thanks Wine

Iwontletyoudown · 06/09/2014 01:47

This is an area that I work in. I'm so sorry that you are having this additional stress. My understanding of the law regarding DFGs is that the means test should consider the income of the disabled person and their partner but not additional family members. Unfortunately you cannot assume that every local authority will operate in the same way or necessarily meet every aspect of the law. You are doing the right thing to challenge what you have been told.

BerniceBroadside · 06/09/2014 08:56

Lifesalemon, no worries, always better to query things.

I also had a look at a couple of current council application forms which also say that it's the income of the adult and their partner which are taken into account.

I wonder if the disabled law people who published that fact sheet could assist?

Truckingalong · 06/09/2014 11:46

Thanks again to everyone for your support. I've gone through the various links and there seems to be conflicting advice. One website explicitly says the income of the disabled person and their spouse is assessed and no one else but another website says the award is based on household income. I'm absolutely going to challenge it though.

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