To think this misses the point about costs of childcare?

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"Critics have complained that homes where one parent stays at home to look after children will not benefit."

This is in response to the new scheme where parents will get 20% of childcare costs paid for by the government.
I'm a CM and all for subsidies of any sort to help out parents, but other than the odd day when you might need to go for an interview etc. I can't see why a stay at home parent needs to get childcare subsidies or am I missing a major point here?!

We are all likely to be screwed over on pension provision regardless of what we have contributed

Whe are debating what can be changed. What has just been changed, in fact

Iam this is tax policy...

Do you not concern yourself with tax then?

Yes it has been changed or is due to be, but we have no say it in, it's policy written upon high unless you vote with your feet and even then it's likely to go ahead anyway

Im in total agreeance with it, and already pretty much do it anyway under the voucher scheme, to say I'm no longer entitled because I "earn too much" annoys me - one of the contributors, when you have contributed as much as I have the you can tell me I'm wrong, but not while I'm propping your sahm lifestyle up

I am not saying that working parents shouldn't get any help with cc at all, but for some who don't need the money for essentials it is a lifestyle choice. In other words they could financially afford not to work but choose to.
I think if we are to fund lifestyle choices then all choices should be funded. Or should be assessed on need rather than choice.
As for paying tax it is possible that the single family earner could pay as much tax as 2 income family, so the tax argument doesn't really add up.

You've just told us we are intelligentsia debating stuff that can't be changed. Which is a bit sneery.

I'm not a SAHM. I'm a higher rate tax payer. I'll tell you what ever I fancy telling you.

When I was a SAHM I would also have told you what I ever fancied telling you.

You don't have to listen.

one of the contributors, when you have contributed as much as I have the you can tell me I'm wrong, but not while I'm propping your sahm lifestyle up

And it is sad beyond words that you see contribution in purely financial terms.

I contribute far less now than I did as A SAHM, because I don't have the time to be involved in as many things or do all the little things I used to do. I have constant nagging guilt about it.

The rant is about how people don't think she is entitled to a small tax break because they in different circumstances think they deserve the money more.
I think it's important not to forget that the very nature of the tax system does rely on the goodwill of those paying the taxes.

It's easy to develop the impression that the system seems to works better for those who 'don't do the right thing' and that if you work hard in a good well paid job you just end up paying tax to fund things for people who aren't grateful and just want more of your money.

Now I don't actually think the above, but it is definitely a narrative stream that I've come across both on here and in the media, and from my Mum who is always moaning about how she gets less pension than so and so because she has savings and so and so never saved a day in her life.

Iam - get off our backsides.

Erm I've been a sahp and a wp.I also did a demanding job for many years prior to dc.I will also work off a long time after.

I suspect I've put waaaay more paid(and unpaid) working hours in overall than the maj of part time workers who notch up a few hours a week and think somehow they're put upon,entitled and that little but more worthy than others.

Would also like to add that I suspect my pension pot is an awful lot healthier than that of many part time workers who like to come on and lecture to all and sundry on threads like this and the other sahp bashing thread currently running on aibu.

when you have contributed as much as I have the you can tell me I'm wrong, but not while I'm propping your sahm lifestyle up

Are you saying you feel that as you "contribute" that your opinion is more important.. or counts more? Pretty sure they don't affix a gold star next to your name or anything, you know...doesn't make you better than anyone else.

and from my Mum who is always moaning about how she gets less pension than so and so because she has savings and so and so never saved a day in her life.

I love the goodwill argument. One day I will tell HMRC I am withdrawing my 'goodwill'. Then I will have to hide behind the sofa with lights off for five years.

Seems to me you pay tax under a cosh then just have to make sure you yell very loudly for a say in what happens to it. A much bolshier process

Oh and Iam I have never ever been propped up.

I am propping up my dp who is in turn propping up a hell of a lot of other people thanks.

The vast maj of tax payers take out more than they put in,not so many on the higher tax rate.

No I don't think it's like a reward point system, it just goads me that apparently I'm not entitled as I'm a higher rate payer, I must have enough to live on - well yes I do, but there are no luxuries, I'm working through necessity, to pay for the roof over our heads, doing commutes of 2 hours per day, long days and "dumping" my kids in childcare (the best I can afford) because I have something called work ethic, I would love to be around more for them but I'm not guilty about what I have to do - there's no point in that

I pay into a private pension but my DH doesn't so he's in trouble, and mine no doubt will be a pittance

I concur that I agree with this change

I would love to be around more for them but I'm not guilty about what I have to do - there's no point in that

Well stop being so angry too. You are going to knock a decade of your lifespan. Anger is even worse for you than guilt.

I strongly believe 80%+ of parents have no choice other than to do what they are doing, for whatever reason. We all need to calm down and give each other a break.

I'm definitely not angry ha

I just have an opinion

Oh right And if more got off their behinds and did the same this country wouldn't be the shocker it is is your calm and considered opinion? That's nice.

Pretty much, anyway OP - I agree with you

You know sahp could retort with an equally spiteful bashing wp comment re what they think wp should do.

As you can see the sahp reading this haven't.

If it isn't anger that is the issue it's just downright nastiness.

Seagulls
How on earth do work out that youve done more hours than anyone else ??
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There are only 24 hours in a day and when they arent woh part timers are usually looking after their DC !

Its one poster on this thread with that attitude Seagulls not all WOHP.

iam

Instead of being jealous why not look at changing your life so you can be a sahp.
You go on about having a work ethic but it isn't making you happy.
I don't spend a lot of time on my backside as I have raised a family, if you hadn't been a wohm would you really have sat on your backside Good job you went to work then.

Oh purlease, I'm on a day off

But seems to me there's a lot of mumsnetting going on in this sahm arena

I'm definitely not angry - this is the internet, chill out

Ilove ditto sahp.

I didn't start the working hours tally btw.

Oh and re paid working hours it's a marathon not a sprint.

Some of us have worked full time for many years prior to dc and a fair few hours with dc which will be followed by years of work when one returns to work after a stint as a sahp.

I'm just pointing out that those bashing sahp as being lazy whilst they're single handedly holding the whole country up with their worthy part time jobs might find they don't fair so well in the working hours tally(and tax paid) on a long term basis.