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To question the Social Worker/Children's Services...

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bustrainwalkwalk · 30/08/2014 21:20

I have name changed and fuzzed the details also going to be deliberately a little vague so as not to be recognised.

My ex wife and I have a son whom we share the care of. No previous issues, no previous Children's Services involvement, normal family then normal separated parents.

My son (8 years old) claimed his mum had assaulted him and had a bruise where he said he was hit. I called Police and they informed Children's Services who both contacted me for statements and informed me they both had to complete investigations into the allegation. I stopped all contact whilst this happened.

Two weeks later Police state not enough evidence to prosecute, understandably. So no more Police involvement.

Social Worker was allocated and came to visit us- all fine, he spoke with my son and told me his story was clear and consistent. He told me he had spoken with my ex and that she admitted to hitting him but she said it wasn't hard and was physical chastisement for bad behavior. She was given "advice" about the appropriate use of smacking and that it was inappropriately disproportionate in this instance.

Social Worker stated that his report is finished and that my son is not at risk of systematic abuse or significant harm in his Mums care and therefore contact can start immediately. I took his advice and reinstated contact. Son was very keen to see his mum, no bad feelings, no problems.

Son comes back from first weekend with his mum stating she had hurt him again. Not a hit this time, that she kicked him hard and that it hurt enough to make him cry. He has no mark but he is adamant it was purposely done not an accident. He doesn't appear to be lying, he is bright and articulate and explained it in great detail.

I contacted Social Worker who said if he had been kicked hard enough he would have a mark. I asked him if I should disbelieve my son and he said that was up to me but that he had already spoken with my ex and his report states my son is not at risk of harm with her. I questioned him and said but that was before this new allegation and since this second allegation he has neither spoken to me properly, spoken to my son, made a report about it or spoken to my ex... and I was brushed off. I have asked him to come and speak with my son so he can see he is not lying and has not been told or coached to make this accusation by me but I am waiting for him to get back to me.

Does this sound right? Should I just accept the Socials Worker's decision and ignore my son saying his mum has hurt him? What if he makes another accusation, will that be ignored too.

I would like to point out that I am not after stopping my son seeing his mum, I am not looking to gain full residency or any other agenda here. I am just concerned and so confused as what to do.

Would I be unreasonable to call Children's Services tomorrow and ask another Social Worker to hear me out and tell me if they think it sounds correct? I would in effect be questioning the Social Worker - is that likely to go down very badly?

Any advice would be great - especially if perhaps someone here works for Children's Services or has been in similar situation.

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bustrainwalkwalk · 30/08/2014 22:57

Ok I will do that. I have asked for a copy before and he said I wasn't entitled to one and thy don't routinely give copies to the parents. Which just seemed wrong. He got irate when I said that seems a little ridiculous and advised I applied for a full data disclosure or whatever it's called which takes 40 days.

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Viviennemary · 30/08/2014 23:04

You are obviously concerned about your son's well being and rightly so. What about considering a visit with him to his GP. Maybe they could suggest a way forward.

fluffyduffydoo · 30/08/2014 23:05

If she has been investigated by the police and social workers and been deemed fit to parent your son are you saying you don't believe them?

If you feel your son is in danger just keep him with you and don't let him go to his mums

I also went through the family court after a divorce and kept my dc away from ex husband for month as I knew he was having a bit of a breakdown following the split and was not in a fit state to parent

I got my knuckles rapped by the court but nothing bad happened

The dc's now have an amazing relationship with their dad but it could all have gone tits up if they had been forced to see him by the court during the period I knew he was stuggling

Are you the main carer? What is the spilt like? Is it 50/50 or do you have our son the majority of the tme?

wellcoveredsparerib · 30/08/2014 23:06

you are entitled to have a copy of the core assessment. Sw may be right about s 47, but all the relevant information and social workers recommendations will be in the core assessment.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 30/08/2014 23:15

CA = core assessment! sorry.
Of course you are entitled to a copy. Make a fuss! www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/281368/Working_together_to_safeguard_children.pdf this is the statutory guidance we work to. I don't know how specific it is about sharing reports but if it's not explicit it's implicit within the concept of partnership working and including parents in the process.

bustrainwalkwalk · 30/08/2014 23:32

Fluffy - She admitted to hitting him but claims it wasn't hard, Police didn't prosecute as it wasn't a "serious" injury and chances of prosecution weren't high so CPS decided not to prosecute. Social Worker hasn't address the more recent claim of assault, the assessment was already done and completed and not updated. My concerns and his new allegation are being fobbed off.

We have Court next week. If the SW doesn't address the new allegation then there is no chance of the contact order not being reinstated. I can't breach the Order. I know you say you just got your knuckles rapped but it's very different when your the mum not the dad. As much as it shouldn't be the case I am well aware that as a man I have to be crystal clear and always reasonable and compliant else they'd happily chance residency and I'd get the standard man allowance of every other weekend. This Court hearing is specifically about the allegation (well the first one as the second isn't being acknowledged by SW) I'm guessing perhaps in your case you breached an existing contact Order when your ex was having problems?

Currently I have my son about 40% of the time. Well currently as in before the last month or so.

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bustrainwalkwalk · 30/08/2014 23:35

Thanks Ehric. I will read that in the morning.

I'm just so disappointed. I though that children's allegations of abuse were always taken seriously and always looked into. SW seems to think as no mark was left then it's not abuse or he's lying.

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fluffyduffydoo · 31/08/2014 00:22

40%?

I'm going to sound like Jermey Kyle here but why do you not have him at 50% or 100% if you feel he is coming to harm and being abused by his mum?

bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 00:27

Fluffy. 40% before the last month or so, as in historically it's been 40%. Since the allegation he's been with me 100%.

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fluffyduffydoo · 31/08/2014 01:08

I wish I could offer better advice bus

Keep doing what your what you sound a great father

Is there anything at all you can do to help your ex? Your boy will want his mum too?

Wishing you all luck in the world Flowers

redshifter · 31/08/2014 03:55

I can't give any advice about the correct procedures.

But jhst want to say It does not sound right to me and I would be very unhappy with it.

Their are terrible corms of abuse that leave no marks. What do they do then?

Why on earth would a SW not investigate 2nd allegation. Maybe doesn't believe it and is very busy. But how can SW not believe it without speaking to your son.
Prejudicial thinking by SW perhaps? Be prepared to be angry if you ever see a CA or report.

And yes I agree with you, it seems to always be treated a lot more seriously when a man breaks the court order.

bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 08:16

Redshifter.

Yes I believe the Social worker thinks either myself of my son are lying- but he won't even speak with him. He is very busy and it takes message after message left for him to get through to speak, he took 2 weeks to reply to my email!

His whole attitude changed after he spoke to my ex. She's very clever and manipulative when she wants to be and I'm sure she was completely charming on the phone. I think in labelled as the lying vindictive separated parent.

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deakymom · 31/08/2014 08:31

popping onto the other side of the fence here it does seem convenient that you child has come up with this story after two days most children would make a deal on day one not after two days the social worker probably believes you spent two days pushing the story or that the child liked the attention they were getting so decided to get a bit more

sorry but i'm pretty sure that is what they are thinking

Dolly80 · 31/08/2014 08:43

OP just to let you know, if the intervention from the SW started 2 weeks ago the Core Assessment might not be complete at this time. SW's have 7 days to complete an Initial Assessment and then a further 35 to complete the Core Assessment.

There are times when they are completed quicker, and it should definitely be completed if you've been told the case is closed. Just thought knowing the timescales might be useful for you.

wigglybeezer · 31/08/2014 08:47

Have you spoken to her? you say you get on Ok generally and you know her better than the SWs, you would be better able to judge her mental state than them.

everynameisbloodytaken · 31/08/2014 08:59

it sounds like your ex isn't coping well...
what were her parenting skills like before?
has anything changed in her life? does she have other children?
how long have you been separated?
sorry for the questions but last one could you both do a parenting course together. ..

bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 09:04

Her parenting skills have always been fine.

We are amicable but not friend really. I wouldn't

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bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 09:10

Sorry posted too soon.

I wouldn't know if she was having problems in her relationship or anything like that. So I don't know if se is struggling. Even if se was why would any normal parent kick their child?

Yes I agree it sounds all a bit made up, the issue for me is that I know it's not but aware that it appears to be. I've asked SW to come and see my son so she can see for herself that he isn't lying.

My son is quiet and reserved and doesn't really like attention or talking about himself. I don't find it odd that it took him two days to tell me but that's cause I know him. Last time after being hit really hard by his mum the first time he didn't tell anyone at all at school and waited all day until he got home.

He doesn't see her kicking him as a big deal. Which is odd. He said she's done it before though as if it's a normal thing. He's said she wasn't angry or cross so it wasn't some bizarre punishment or anything like that. He said it wasn't an accident and she definitely did it on purpose. I don't know, he's just so sure of it and the details it's just scary.

I know there is the possibility that he could be lying I'm not silly enough to think that isn't a possibility.

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bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 11:42

I called the duty SW this morning.

The Section 47 is completed but I am not entitled to a copy. The Core Assessment isn't finalised as yet. Nothing has been sent to Court but SW has had a conversation with the Court stating there is no risk of significant harm following on from the initial allegation- the new allegation wasn't mentioned as isn't currently noted as a serious allegation just a comment my son has made.

Duty SW stated that the allocation SW has recorded the new allegation but as a note rather than a full new allegation. He said I should have been told to be taken seriously by Children's Services and looked into in it's own rights I should have reported it to Police. Which I (stupidly) hadn't done.

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maddening · 31/08/2014 11:56

Could you catch her out in a recorded conversation by either email or phone - asking her about the incident?

bustrainwalkwalk · 31/08/2014 12:00

I can't think why she'd admit to kicking him. We don't really speak on the phone we tend to do all communication via email or text and knowing she has a Court hearing next week and that she's not seen him for ages she won't admit to it by email/text- that's if she did do it. I don't even know if she did but if she didn't why is my son so convincing and why is he lying :(

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