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UK and America are two countries separated by a common language, UK and US Q&A

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Pipbin · 18/08/2014 20:23

Continuation of the previous thread where posters from the UK ask questions like 'what the hell is going on with the gaps in US toilet doors'; and posters fro the US ask things like 'what is with wearing stripes'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a2149133-to-think-there-is-something-wrong-with-Americans?msgid=48969042#48969042

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x2boys · 22/08/2014 10:27

This question is personal to me as/I,m a mental health nurse by profession in the UK nurses train in their chosen area so I trained in mental healthhealth I can't for example work as an a general nurse as I,m only qualified in mental health ( years ago nurses could be dual qualified but not so much now) in the US do nurses train generically ?

tinyshinyanddon · 22/08/2014 10:29

Remember there are about 10-12 public holidays that most workers get: labor day, memorial day, thanksgiving....and people take those opportunities to go away but generally the leave entitlement is much lower than the uk.

As for teeth, in the uk everyone has pretty average teeth. In the us people fall into 2 groups: average/movie star teeth or terrible teeth. So I see more people with terrible teeth or no teeth in the us compared to the uk (but not that many really)

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 10:39

x2boys - when I went through nursing training, you trained to get your RN, and you could specialise further after that. But you still could work as a general RN even after specialising. So all the nurses have the same training to get their RN. They can then branch out from there, but all are qualified as RNs. (yes, that was muddled and possibly repetitive, but hopefully made sense)

And as far as leave entitlement goes, when I was working for a constabulary here in the UK, I ended up in hospital with emergency appendectomy after working for just a few months and ended up missing a couple weeks of work. I was panicking about getting back to work. I emailed my supervisor with concerns, and she rang me at home and explained that the illness policies are much different than in the states and that yes, I would be paid, and no, I didn't need to cut short recovery time, as I had been signed off work for 3 weeks (due to some complications), and I was not to worry, I would not lose my job. In the states, that would very possibly have been the death knell for my job. No sick time accrued (often cannot be taken until you've been there six months or a year) and you just would be unpaid, possibly let go in a "right to work" state. Things may be different now, but not sure how much. Then, of course, add the stress of all the insurance coverage. I was so relieved that I didn't have to worry about any finance issues with the NHS health care.

Pipbin · 22/08/2014 11:00

In UK most people also get the week between Christmas and NewYear, plus one or two weeks more, which they get to choose when they take

No where I've worked before becoming a teacher had the week between Christmas and New Year off.

I believe holiday entitlement is 28 days which includes bank holidays.

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pinkstinks · 22/08/2014 12:04

OMG. Five guys is opening in Bristol. Stop the press.

PunkHedgehog · 22/08/2014 12:30

"not spicy or salty in the way that I would normally think of as savory, "

'Savory' in the UK doesn't mean a particular flavour, it just means 'not sweet'.

I've had to completely recallibrate my mental image of tootsie rolls - I'd always assumed they were something like twinkies.

Pipbin is right about UK leave. Minimum of 28 days including bank (public) holidays. Most places, certainly larger companies, offer 28 days plus bank holidays (there are 8-ish bank holidays a year, although they vary slightly in different countries of the UK), and often a few of extra days once you've been working there around 5 years and maybe a few more at 10 years. Most only let you carry over 3-5 days to the next year if you don't use them - particularly if carrying over would mean you'd taken less than the 28 day minimum for the year. Sick leave isn't a set number of days, and if your employer doesn't give sick pay you can claim statutory sick pay if you are off for any length of time. Parents of children under 5 (or under 18 and with special needs) are also entitled to extra (usually unpaid) days of leave each year.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 13:06

Tootsie rolls are definitely not "gourmet fare" by any stretch. But for some reason, I associate them (and candy corn) with Halloween.

itsonlysubterfuge · 22/08/2014 13:07

If you've ever eaten brown modelling chocolate, this is a lot like a Tootsie Roll. I guess kind of like a chocolate flavoured Refresher, if that makes sense.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 22/08/2014 13:24

I'll take your word for it but the Oxford dictionary has this definition for British English:

Savoury

Of food) belonging to the category which is salty or spicy rather than sweet:

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 13:39

biscuits like biscuits and gravy are like these:

thepioneerwoman.com/cooking/2013/03/drop-biscuits-and-sausage-gravy/

Yum.... lovely breakfast food (although not good for the waistline!). My dad's absolute favourite breakfast.

Gruntfuttock · 22/08/2014 13:49

I can't get my head round gravy that looks like that, Alice That looks very strange indeed to me.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 22/08/2014 13:56

I am not a fan of that type of gravy or of biscuits and gravy. I like biscuits with butter and jam for breakfast or just butter as a bread with a meal. Ham biscuits are very good too: ham between a biscuit with a bit of mustard.

This is also a very good thing to make with a biscuit:

UK and America are two countries separated by a common language, UK and US Q&A
HalfSpamHalfBrisket · 22/08/2014 14:20

pinkstinks Yay! I love 5 Guys.
All we need now is for In N Out Burger to get here. Animal style!

LadyStark · 22/08/2014 14:32

Pipbin can you put a warning on cheap/reasonably priced UK property? Just so use Southerners know to cover our eyes Grin

I have watched a trashy TV show called Greek which is all about the sorority system in the US, it looks fun! I don't think we have anything quite comparable here.

LadyStark · 22/08/2014 14:33

OK, I was reading the thread around the wrong way, ignore my post! It's moved on some way since then.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 14:36

Grunt it's lovely. It must be tried. ah... now I'm going to have to make it soon. Grin Haven't had it in years.

seagull70 · 22/08/2014 15:09

I have a question about nursing too!

I watched an MTV documentary last night called 'Scrubbing In' (I know, I know Blush). US nurses were relocated to different hospitals around the country and the camera crew follow them everywhere.

The nurses in the documentary all (bar one) had fake long nails and really long hair and did shifts on the ward looking like that.

Please tell me this isn't for real? Surely hair should be tied back and worn above the collar and nails should be very short. One of the girls even wore pearls Grin

oneflewoutofthecrazynest · 22/08/2014 15:23

like an op that posted I too was trained and am specificaly qualified in mental health nursing. I was wondering what jobs i would be able to go into in the US if i ever moved there (possability) and was able to work. I do not think my post exists there, what kind of jobs do people that work in mental health do, are they all counsollors like on the tv? Is mental health care provided in hospital or just retreats? (watches too much tv) Grin

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 16:43

oneflew that's pretty specific. I would think your best bet is to contact nursing recruitment/temp sites in the states and ask them as they could probably advise you what's needed. Or at the very least refer you to the appropriate organisation in the area you're interested in.

Ericaequites · 22/08/2014 17:35

Americans are obsessed with white teeth. Mine are decidedly beige.

mathanxiety · 22/08/2014 18:30

Oneflew:
There are psych wards in hospitals both private and university, and there are mental health nurses working in them as MH nurses (with the specific skills that MH nurses have). MH care is also provided in VA hospitals and county/public hospitals. Retreat style MH care would be very rare. Afaik, MH nurses would not work in counselling unless they had a specific qualification in counselling - counselling psychologist or LSW/MSW for instance - on top of the nursing qualification. You might have to take exams to qualify you in any given state, and you would almost certainly have to submit your transcript to a state professional accreditation board or equivalent. There are a lot of nursing temp and recruitment agencies who would be able to advise, as well as a state professional board -- loads of nurses in all areas of practice come from places outside the US ime.

I never saw a nurse with long decorative nails but hair was rarely tied back and no medical staff or nursing staff wore anything but scrubs in any hospital or doctor office I have ever been to, with the exception of my midwife and the DCs' pediatricians so nobody really had a collar. I have encountered lab tech people and phlebotomists with amazing nails..

The gravy is like white sauce with sausage pan scrapings. It's made with milk, sausage fat and bits and flour. It's not gravy as in Sunday roast.

Ime teaching is a respected profession, but some teachers are more respected than others iykwim. Starting HS salary in the public HS here is about $60k. Thanks to the way the state sees things, a gym teacher is worth as much as a maths teacher, so a teacher who teaches driver's ed and freshman core PE who has a good few years under his belt can make $150K with a hefty bonus on top of that for coaching a sport, with a pension upon retirement. Teachers in my district are paid a decent bonus for running an after school club or coaching a sport. As a result there are loads of after school clubs and no shortage of coaches. In RC schools pay is a bit less afaik.

My mum would call biscuits savoury (she would call them scones too, rhyming with 'gone' Smile) whereas she would call strawberry shortcake sweet. Anything without sugar added in the recipe was savoury in her book. It wouldn't require spice or herbs or the addition of cheese.

I have just this morning hauled DD4 and all her school supplies to school. We passed a lot of children walking. We fished her art and writing supply box out of the back of the car along with her locker shelves, where they have lain all summer along with DS's surplus stuff from university. Her new notebooks, and the composition books that I originally bought for DD3 several years ago and that I know from experience won't be used were in her backpack. She had her paper towels and plastic zip bags (all dollar store variety) in the shopping bags they came home in, i.e. dollar store bags, along with everyone else by the looks of things. I didn't bother with the antibac wipes or tissues. She has all her old markers and coloured pencils and crayons, etc. I will send tissues when cold season starts. Everybody gathered outside the school was equally weighed down. She got her textbooks today but they are now in her locker. Most of them will only be used for class work as there is an online version of everything. I rarely sent them with all the extra classroom supplies every year as I know they have a huge stash in a storeroom in the basement to cover any classroom shortfall (oh the joys of having a preschool TA as a friend Smile).

A friend of mine taught in a very low income neighbourhood school and provided cheap hats for his students. The hats came out of his own pocket but classroom school supplies were budgeted for by the school. Extras like cleaning supplies were also provided as it was a public school. He learned never to assign homework that involved colouring. He also ended up topping up the classroom supplies himself a few times every year. Funny enough, RC schools that serve poor neighbourhoods generally find they can make do with far fewer school supplies than the DCs' school requires...

In this neck of the woods, sports are really popular but so are the arts and also good old fashioned doing very little and amusing yourself. A huge number of children do soccer from age 3 (AYSO-organised leagues and travel teams), T ball, volleyball, baseball, softball, basketball (travel teams for all four beginning with 11/12 year olds). Travel team membership is by tryout and competition for a spot on a team roster is fierce. There is also lacrosse, field hockey, competitive club swimming, football (Little League), club and municipal gymnastics, and there is a huge dance subset. All the high schools offer summer camps for children from 12 upwards in a lot of sports. On top of that, there are lots of martial arts studios. The parents you see with their children in every sport going tend to be Irish... There are a lot of music kids (from School of Rock to classical) and a really good local children's choir that holds auditions. The local small theatre also does drama camps. There is a lot of overlap among interests.

CheerfulYank · 22/08/2014 19:03

DS's list is: 9 oz cups, dry erase markers, box of pencils, ziploc bags, crayons, glue, glue sticks, $5 party money, four folders, a notebook, and two boxes of tissues.

There is a drive every year where people donate school supplies (or money to purchase them) to the Community Center. Then parents bring their kids in to get what they need so they don't have to go to school without the proper stuff.

We have an Open House a week before school starts where you go meet the teacher, etc. Most people bring their school supplies then so the kids aren't loaded down on the first day. :) Also the parents who haven't gotten every thing they need because they can't afford it usually use that time to have a quiet word with the teacher, who will put them in touch with the social worker at the school to get the child what he/she needs.

A lot of people here are sporty. Not so much organized sports as canoeing, hiking, that kind of thing. There are a lot of sports for little kids; DS has done tae kwon do, basketball, baseball, swimming, and soccer. He did gymnastics when he was a toddler (DD will start next summer, when she:s two) and tried ice hockey but didn't like it.

CheerfulYank · 22/08/2014 19:05

Oh and yes, I am admittedly somewhat obsessed with white teeth. :o

tabulahrasa · 22/08/2014 19:29

Re the school supply lists...a surprising amount of stationary and equipment in classrooms are actually bought by teachers over here as school budgets just don't stretch far enough - so we might not be asked to pay for things but that doesn't mean they're provided either.

halfdrunkcoffee · 22/08/2014 19:52

Apologies if this has been asked before, but can anyone enlighten me on what Americans mean by a den? Is it like a living room?

Are pedal pushers short trousers?

I could have done with this thread when I was reading all the Judy Blume books as a child! I used to try and work out how the grades corresponded to English school years and what real estate was.

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