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to be surprised that the numbers attending university aren't declining yet?

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Toadinthehole · 18/08/2014 03:07

OK, so a generation ago, the vast majority of people did no tertiary study at all. It was possible to leave school at 16 and achieve what was considered a perfectly decent job (if you were male). As those who did go to university received a grant from the State, which also paid their tuition fees, the only individuals who paid for education were parents of children at private schools. This was the norm across most Western countries.

Skip forward to now. Certain trades excepted, it is now nigh on impossible to get a job with prospects unless one has spent at least 3 years at university running up a big debt. Societies across the Western world now expect people to pay to get a sufficient education to make their way in society. While schools have not necessarily got worse, a school education by itself is now manifestly inadequate for this. There is little planning to ensure enough people enter the right degree disciplines. Universities have become huge yet underfunded. Millions find their degree discipline does not enable them to find work: others find they have chosen the wrong profession and have to start all over again or, if they're lucky, obtaining work in the modern equivalent of the factory: the dreaded call centre, Hanging over them is the sword of student debt. In just over a decade, my children will have to face all this.

It is a complete mug's game, yet according to recent reports, the number of people continuing to enter higher education continues to increase? Why is there no obvious alternative?

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lljkk · 18/08/2014 11:45

usa

lljkk · 18/08/2014 11:46

sorry, USA where I went to Uni. Maybe not what you meant.
I know 22-23yos now in SE England & very expensive part of USA who are buying houses/cars getting by fine without Uni degrees.

PeppermintInfusion · 18/08/2014 12:10

YNBU
I went to a decent uni and did an joint honours degree in English Lit and another arts subject. I estimate that this degree cost me at least 40k (combination of loans, part time earnings, savings and parental contribution) to complete in the early 00s. Whilst it has made me a well read 'cultured' person who can write well and I had a lot of life shaping experiences (not all academic) it didn't directly lead to a career. I now work in a completely unrelated field and have a decent career, salary and future prospects but I don't think my degree contributed greatly apart from making me become more articulate and giving me confidence. It certainly wasn't worth the money spent in many respects.
People often cite the learning benefits and personal development of studying arts subjects, which is all very noble but at the end of the day you want and (most people) need to earn money to have a life so I think uni is very overrated.
Many young people now would be better off not going, or not going straight away until they figured out what aspect of work they are interested in.
Even through I have a lot less student debt than many of my friends, I still have several years to go of paying my monthly repayment which my optimistic teenage self didn't see as a big deal when I picked my course and went to uni.

Uni isn't the be all and end all! the only problem is helping school leavers find a meaningful path without getting stuck in a dead end job on the way.

funnyossity · 18/08/2014 12:16

lljk : USA offers a cheaper route (although I may be out of date!) through community college. Our kids at the lower ranked universities don't get cheaper rates.

lljkk · 18/08/2014 14:16

yeah, community colleges have boomed, first 2 yrs only, of course, of the 4 yr course. I went to them (80s) & my parents went to them (60s). My folks reckon CCs work out a lot more expensive now than they were 50 yrs ago, though I thought the costs were similar in real terms when I looked into them for my nephew 2 yrs ago.

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