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To think my BIL is a shit and refuse to go to his wedding. Long - sorry!

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MrsFunnyFanny · 17/08/2014 15:35

First post...would appreciate some opinions.
Brief history...I've been with DH for 12 years, and in that time, BIL has been with various women. He has 3 kids with 3 different women, and doesn't bother with any of them very much. Whenever he gets into a relationship, he disappears, throws himself into his girlfriend's family and for some reason doesn't bother with his own. On several occasions we haven't heard from him for months on end. It doesn't bother DH, he just says he's a grown man and let him get on with it , but I really feel sorry for MIL who is picked up and dropped, ignored for months at a time, and is generally treated badly by BIL, who's her middle child.
DH is the eldest. They all had a difficult upbringing, violent alcoholic father, mother was victim of DV, and eventually their father left when DH was 16. He had to step up and become 'the man of the house', left school and got a job, paid the bills and paid off his mum's debts etc etc. He has always taken the role of responsibility for his brother and sister, and they tend to look to him whenever the shit hits the fan. Since I met DH, MIL has always said BIL is jealous of him - and he's often been heard to refer to DH as 'golden balls' or similar.
When BIL's last relationship broke up, he came to DH for financial help. He had been left high and dry financially by his partner, who had an affair and then left him, taking their 2 year old son. They had been renting a house, in her name only. We talked about it, and we agreed eventually to buy a house and rent it to BIL, so he had somewhere to start again, and where his children could stay with him. It went as far as me viewing ten or twelve properties, talking to the bank etc. Then all of a sudden, BIL disappeared, didn't answer any calls and was uncontactable. After 6 weeks, he eventually called and said he had met another woman, and would be moving in with her instead. I was just glad we hadn't signed anything, and DH and I just moved on with our lives and thought no more of it.
We barely saw BIL for the next 2 years, just the occasional text message, birthday cards for the kids etc. Then out of nowhere, he called and asked if he and his girlfriend could come and speak to us. In a nutshell, they came and said BIL had got himself into £11.5k of debt, and had gone to one of these debt agencies who advertise on TV. He had to pay them £90, and they went through some legal process to get his debts written off for him. I think it's one step short of declaring bankruptcy. The consequence of this was that he could get no credit anywhere, and could not get a private rental property as he would not pass the credit checks. The tenancy on his girlfriend's house was coming to an end and they wanted to get somewhere together. They basically asked us to buy a house for them to live in, similar to what had been discussed previously with BIL. That would have been one conversation, but they followed it up by saying that they were short of money so wanted us to buy a property and rent it to them for no more than £300 per month. We explained that £300 would not even cover the mortgage we would have to take out, and we would actually be out of pocket, but it didn't seem to register. Their other suggestion was that we take out a mortgage because they couldn't get one, then sign the house over to them at the end for no profit! Talk about high risk - and probably illegal. The conversation was left by DH saying that he would have a think and would see what he could sort out to help BIL, but that it would have to make sense financially for us too, as we have four children to think about, and we want to be able to help them in years to come if they go to uni etc etc.
Yet again things changed, and BIL and his girlfriend were offered a council house, which they took. As soon as they moved in, they phoned and asked us for money to buy carpets and wallpaper "just a few hundred pounds". DH and I talked, and we just feel like they are taking a lend, and only ever bother with us when they want something. We have recently moved house ourselves, and are trying to renovate our house bit by bit. We haven't decorated or carpeted here yet, because we can't afford to do everything in one go, yet here is BIL putting his hand out looking for DH to foot the bill so they can immediately do their house up. I just think he's entitled and selfish. Helping him out when he was in need would have been one thing, and I know DH would never have seen him homeless or desperate, but to expect someone else to fork out for your Laura Ashley wallpaper so you can have it right now is just taking the piss. DH said no, and the next thing we heard, BIL was bad mouthing DH to the rest of the family, calling him a selfish twat, and saying he only thinks of himself. I just can't be bothered any more, and I feel sorry for DH that his brother only contacts him for money, and slags him off when he can't have it. I've made it clear I don't want any more to do with him. He is nasty to poor MIL (who has also 'lent' him money and never seen it again) and I know how he's hurt her over the years with his selfish behaviour.
BIL and DH are still in touch via text. DH is very placid and nothing bothers him. BIL has recently announced that he's getting married to this girl. He has asked his sister's daughter to be flower girl, but not our two girls, who have always loved him, and who he sees as much as his sister's child. It's just a snub to DH and to me, but the only ones who would be upset are my daughters, who would be heartbroken to see their cousin as flower girl, while they weren't included. I have told DH that I will not be going to the wedding, and that neither will our kids. My girls would be really upset at being left out, and I think BIL is an absolute tool for taking out his issues with us on two little girls. He is no closer to his sister's child than he is to our kids - it's a definite snub. MIL is furious and upset, and didn't want to tell me that our girls were being left out. I couldn't give a toss about the whole thing, if it wasn't for the way my kids are being treated. I've said to DH that he must do whatever he wants, and that I won't try to influence him either way, but that I won't go to the wedding or subject our girls to watching from the sidelines (they are 10 and 6). He isn't happy, and I know will try to get me to change my mind. I'm happy for DH to maintain whatever relationship he wants with his brother, but after slagging my husband off while asking him for money, I just don't want anything to do with BIL whatsoever. We haven't been invited to the wedding yet, but we will - they will want a wedding present after all.
AIBU?

OP posts:
MaryWestmacott · 17/08/2014 19:21

I'm going to go against the grain and say you should go, because this is your DHs family, he wants to go. You go to support your DH, not for your bil. It might be tough for your DH, so you go for him. But I'd leave the girls with someone else, they don't need to be dragged into it. Go for the bare minimum, leave after the first dance.

hollyisalovelyname · 17/08/2014 19:27

Mrsfunny I can understand why you are angry.
Yanbu at all.
Your dh sounds really lovely and I can understand your frustration with your bil and exasperation that your dh still stays in contact with grabby bil. Probably 'eldest child of parents with dysfunctional marriage syndrome' , trying to make life better for younger siblings. Iykwim.
Don't be too harsh on your dh.
What about your bil's own children? Will they be at the wedding?
How does your sil whose dd will be flower girl get on with your spoiled, entitled bil ?
Families!!!!

NynaevesSister · 17/08/2014 19:55

Really Mary? I think that would be even worse than not going at all. She wouldn't be supporting her husband - she'd be seen (or it would be spun that way) as being the person who turned up grumpy at a wedding, put a downer on it all and then flounced off early.

If she was at a point that she could find some way of making it a family event I'd say go. But she really doesn't seem to be in this place.

ChasedByBees · 17/08/2014 19:59

I wouldn't go. I will also go against the grain and say that I agree he is being harsh to your children. Will he still see them frequently in future if you've washed your hands of him and he only comes roud when he wants something?

MrsFunnyFanny · 17/08/2014 21:39

DH really is a lovely guy. He's very laid back, kind, and yes...he is exactly what you describe holly, he's very much that eldest child of a dysfunctional family. He has always carried too much responsibility, his mum always says how she wouldn't have coped without him when her marriage broke up. He was 16, and he became her crutch, as well as taking on the role of 'dad' to his younger siblings. The strange thing about DH and his family though, is the total lack of emotion between them. DH is really loving and affectionate with me and with our children, he will talk about how he feels, and he readily shows his feelings. When it comes to his family though, it's like a strange emotional detachment. Nothing they do or say seems to bother him , he just boxes stuff up in his mind, and shuts it away. When his mum gets upset about BIL, it's me she talks to, because she knows DH will just say 'just ignore him, don't let it bother you' and will then change the subject. I honestly have no problem with DH staying in touch with his brother. Their relationship barely exists apart from the odd text anyway. DH is aware that his brother uses him and on the whole doesn't get bothered by it. For a man who I'd say is very good at expressing his feelings, it's so odd to see the way he interacts with his family.
holly BIL's eldest is a lovely 17 year old who lives with his mum and very nice stepdad. We see him and love him, he's a great kid. Unfortunately BIL is resentful of attention that MIL or we give him, and he often accuses MiL of favouring him, opening bank accounts for him, all sorts of stuff (she doesn't - he chooses to forget that she looked after this boy full time when he was a baby and up to starting school, so that BIL and his then partner could go to work. Of course she has a bond with him, but BIL turns it into a negative). The poor lad had to find out that his dad was getting married through an unrelated 3rd party. I'm assuming he will be at the wedding, but can't say for sure. BIL's 2nd child is a daughter nobody sees. I've met her twice, about 10 years ago. She lives about half a mile from MIL, yet BIL doesn't take her to visit, and barely sees her himself. He has described her to me as miserable, difficult and funny looking. Says it all really. I doubt v much she will be at the wedding. The 3rd child is the one he sees most of. He didn't want the relationship with the mother to end, but it did - spectacularly, with police involvement and lots of drama. I fully expect the mum to book a holiday or suchlike, and ensure the child is unavailable for the wedding. BIL has no formal contact arrangements or rights - because he knew that would mean formalising maintenance too, so his ex-partner makes him jump through hoops to see their child. He is rapidly losing interest however, as he did with his previous two children. In answer to your question, SIL knows BIL is awful to MiL, and has said she thinks it's terrible how he speaks about DH, who in her words has done so much for all of them - but...she's one of these people who just says 'I don't want to get involved'. I find that hard to swallow, but I say nothing. I get on fine with her, but we aren't close friends or anything. Interestingly, SIL is the absolute opposite of BIL when it comes to money. She will split a bill down to the last penny, pays her own way for everything, doesn't owe anyone a bean, and won't even let anybody buy her a drink!

OP posts:
eddielizzard · 17/08/2014 21:51

i'd just wait and see how it pans out.

you're sure to be getting a poem soon. and you'll have to pay for your own food at the wedding, and bring your own chair. and there will be a wishing fountain for donations towards their poggenpohl kitchen. and they will have decided that only one of your children will be allowed to the wedding and you are only invited to the evening do although they expect that you will give a generous donation to their honeymoon too.

don't get me started on the hen / stag do...

FunLovinBunster · 17/08/2014 21:52

Your BiL is jealous of a child??
I guess BiL is a real charmer.
And begging for cash from someone he can't be bothered to keep in touch with?
It just gets better.

Purplepoodle · 17/08/2014 21:54

He's not going to change. Just avoid him and let your dh deal with him.

Fairenuff · 17/08/2014 21:56

OP it sounds like your dh wouldn't mind if you didn't go, so it's fine for you and the girls to miss it. He can decide if he wants to go on his own or give it a miss.

Leeds2 · 17/08/2014 22:20

If I were you, OP, I would stay home with your children. And I would make sure that the wedding present was one of those Oxfam gift cards, or equivalent.

BookABooSue · 17/08/2014 22:35

Your BIL is acting entitled but, and I am very much in a minority here, I wouldn't be making a stance at his wedding. I'd be going along to support DH (I'd also be assuming they could only afford one flower girl).

hollyisalovelyname · 18/08/2014 10:54

It's a really hard one.
Take your cue from your dh.
If he really wants you all to go, go - suck it up and go with good grace.
Don't make a big thing of the flower girl issue.
If they are going, make it special for them and don't allude in any way to the fact they are not flowergirls- as in 'it's not on your radar'
I blush when I think of what I did re flower girls - just thoughtless- I left one girl out because she was too old- I didn't even ask her to the wedding though her sister was a flowergirl. Stupid me!!!
If your dh isn't bothered one way or another do what is in the best interest of your family. That's you, dh, your dc and your mil.
Look on the bright side - you get on well with your mil. How many Mnetters despair of theirs Smile

TheCraicDealer · 18/08/2014 11:39

In your shoes I probably would've assumed they could only afford one flower girl. If they asked your girls then they might have to think about including your boys as well (you have two?). Suddenly the cost has skyrocketed just to allow for miniature outfits.

But he sounds like a cock, without exception. He probably thinks that because you were in a position where it looked like you were buying a house for him you have LOOOOADS of money. Sure what's a few hundred quid to you two? You need to detach from him and continue to shut down any requests for money.

I would go to the wedding. Not because of any sense of duty to that ball bag, but because of MIL. If you don't go BIL won't be bothered- in fact he'd probably love it because it means he can act the victim. But your MIL would be properly gutted to see the family at odds at what's supposed to be a 'happy' time, and it sounds like she's a good woman.

FryOneFatManic · 18/08/2014 13:01

Having read the OP's posts, I really doubt that this is about the cost of extra flower girls, given that they're happy to get into debt.

I do think that this is more of a snub to the OP, it would not surprise me at all if BIL had somehow decided that the reason OP's DH is no longer giving out the cash is because of OP, and not because the DH had reached his limit.

Cheeky76890 · 18/08/2014 13:22

I haven't read all the comments but I have to say that mine wouldn't be upset not being flower girls in that situation. I'd probably do something special for them on the day, like give them a little gift while at the wedding. Your obviously very angry about things but I'm sure your children have little knowledge of the situation. Mine would accept a basic explanation 'BIL is having just one flower girl and so we will do something special to make up for it'

AmberLav · 18/08/2014 13:22

My mum had a cousin who was a complete waste of space, always playing people off against each other, depending on who could give him the most... I was a child when he was doing it the most, and I remember being amazed that the adults danced to his tune for the odd throw away gift (He had plenty of money, but he craved attention). Part of me thinks you should not protect your children too much - use it as a life lesson about how not all people are completely nice, and some seem to enjoy manipulating people - equally I think they may be a little bit young...

Oh, and that cousin got shot on his doorstep after he started an affair with a local drug lord's wife, so maybe karma got him in the end! I think only his mother mourns him... none of his siblings do...

diddl · 18/08/2014 13:35

Of course your BIL should grow up & take resopnsibility.

I'm Shock that things got as far as even thinking of buying a house for him to rent!

i completely get why you have no interest in the wedding.

Don't see why your husband shouldn't go & take the girls if he wants, though.

Thumbwitch · 18/08/2014 13:44

OP I think you are right to not go to the wedding. Your BIL sounds like a selfish git and I wouldn't want to go to a wedding of someone like that.
You could sell it to your DDs that they are getting out of the boring wedding duties by not being asked to be flower girls, but at the age they are, that's really not going to wash, they're just going to be bewildered and hurt that they're missing out on being part of the wedding party. I don't at all blame you for wanting to save them from that.

However - they're going to know the wedding is happening, surely? So how are you going to explain to them that they're not even going to see the wedding happen? I think they might be even more upset if they miss the whole event because of your feelings and your wish to protect them, than if they go and are upset at not being flower girls. As has been said, you can still dress them up and make them feel special just because it's a wedding, even though they're not part of it.

I don't know because I don't know your girls - which do you think would cause them the greatest upset - being there and seeing their cousin as the flowergirl, or not being there at all? I doubt they will be forever in the dark about the wedding, so if you decide to stop them going at all, then you'll need a really good reason for them to understand why.

MrsFunnyFanny · 18/08/2014 16:03

Lots of wise words there, and food for thought, so many thanks. It's definitely not about the cost of having extra flower girls for BIL. They plead poverty, but get more weekends away and days out that we do with our kids, they are always shopping and spending money - and as I said early on, they aren't shy about asking others to stump up if they're short. I know BIL well enough after 12 years, and of course MIL knows him inside out, and says that low blows are what he does best. This is absolutely just him being a dick. I'm going to take some time to think about this - there's plenty of time before the wedding. Thanks again everybody.

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Needadvice94 · 18/08/2014 18:51

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SorryForTheTypos · 18/08/2014 20:00

YANBU to resent BIL and his grasping ways.

If DH wants to go to the wedding but you think it would be too upsetting for your DDs, I'd give consideration to just you and DH going. I think your DH could do with the support and he probably thinks he is doing the right thing. However, if you were to go with DH, I suppose there's an issue of where to draw the line - the stag & hen dos? What size present? What if they ask you to be a godparent?

Suppose I've just sat on the fence there!

hollyisalovelyname · 22/08/2014 08:28

OP did you decide whether to go or not?

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