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To want to ask grandparents to clean up their act?

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HakunaFritatta · 15/08/2014 15:36

My M&D have always felt comfortable with a bit of clutter and grime in their house, whereas my motto is “a clutter-free life is a stress-free life”! When my siblings and I lived there, a lot of the mess was blamed on us. That was a good excuse for a while, BUT the last bird flew the nest (taking all their belongings with them) nearly a decade ago now and since then the situation’s got a lot worse.

Nothing is ever thrown away at that house and there’s not a centimetre of surface space that’s clear of toot. Fair enough it’s their house, but the more serious problem is the lack of hygiene as months go by without a hint of actual cleaning. The worst part is the kitchen – everything’s sticky, cupboards never wiped down, off food hanging around, never-mopped floor. They also have a dog, so as you can imagine a lack of general cleanliness is not going to make for a happy home.

We now have children and would love to take them to their GPs house to so that they can spend quality time together (we all have fond memories of weekends playing at granny’s house). But it’s so disgusting with all the mess, dirt and chaos there that neither I, nor my siblings feel we can spend longer than five minutes there, let alone let our children play amongst it all.

A couple are coming up to crawling age and there is NO WAY we’d want them crawling on their carpets.

Right now we avoid spending any time there and are always having to make excuses as to why we don’t want to leave our children there with them. It’s really sad, because they’re amazing people and we trust that they’d look after our kids brilliantly.

Over the years we’ve tried to drop subtle (and not so subtle) hints, but Mum especially doesn’t take too well to it and states that it’s her house and she can live how she wants. So how should we best go about helping them realise that their messiness is mucking up their relationship with their children and grandchildren?

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CMOTDibbler · 15/08/2014 15:41

I don't think they are going to change the habit of a lifetime. Invite them round to your house, or have family meet ups at one of the siblings houses.

DaisyFlowerChain · 15/08/2014 15:43

Why do you have to go to theirs? Why can't they come to yours and have a relationship with their grandchildren?

Or is it more about childcare rather than family time?

WhatsMyAgeAgain · 15/08/2014 15:46

My dad's house is the same really sad to see it like this. Sadder that my youngest brother still lives at home in that filth. I only go round now if im picking eitherof them up. Until LO is walking, I always hold him.

MrsCumbersnatch · 15/08/2014 15:54

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NapoleonsNose · 15/08/2014 15:57

I'v stopped going to my Dm's house because I can't stand the mess and filth. I've also given up trying to get her to sort it out. I tried blitzing DM's house myself but it was soon back to a state again which used to really wind me up and I got really cross with her. Sounds harsh and uncaring but its her house and her problem and I just decided I was not prepared to get stressed about it anymore. Sadly I don't think you'll be able to change them. They probably don't notice the mess like you do so, to them, its not an issue.

I sympathise with you OP, its hard when you feel you can't go with the DC and relax at the GP's house. I too have fond memories of playing at my own GP's house, which was always immaculate, and am sad that my kids won't have that memory.

KrisBH · 15/08/2014 15:58

I sympathise, its horrid to have children in a dirty environment, and of course you want to be able to spend time in their gp's house with them. But I don't see any way you can approach this without offending them. There is literally no nice way to say your house is minging!

5madthings · 15/08/2014 16:00

Also ask your mum why living in filth is more important to her than having her gcs to visit/stay. Its a choice she is consciously making

Yes because of course it's just the woman's responsibility.

Op if this is the way they are I doubt you can change it. Have you ever offered/helped to blitz?

hamptoncourt · 15/08/2014 16:03

I think all you can do Op is agree with DM that it is their choice how they live, but point out that it is your choice to decide whether the house is a hygienic enough environment for your children.

I suspect you are just going to have to accept that your dream of a life where the DC play happily at grannys house are pure fantasy. However, if they are loving grandparents then surely they can see DC at your house and elsewhere?

HakunaFritatta · 15/08/2014 16:04

Hi, it's not about childcare, but mum asks if she can have the children to stay at hers at the weekends (like we used to with our GPs) but none of us feel comfortable with it, but we're running out of excuses!

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ElephantsNeverForgive · 15/08/2014 16:07

It may offend you, but your DCs would actually survive a bit of mess and grim just fine and deserve a relationship with their GPs.

My DM was irritatingly tidy, I'm too messy as a reaction and my house annoys her, that's life

HakunaFritatta · 15/08/2014 16:07

...we've done a few blitz's in our time too (although very difficult, because they're very attached to 2012's TV listing mag's and don't like things getting thrown out!!), but a few weeks later it's always back to how it was...

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hamptoncourt · 15/08/2014 16:10

Don't make excuses! Say "Mum and Dad, you cannot have the DC over at yours because you know I am not happy with how cluttered and messy your house is."

AlpacaMyBags · 15/08/2014 16:13

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RumAppleGinger · 15/08/2014 16:13

I say stop the excuses. If she has acknowledged in the past and its her house and she can rightly keep it in whatever state she pleases then she has to also accept that you can choose not to take your children there. I'm not saying be brutal but gentle explain that you are not comfortable with your children playing in an unhygenic environment and offer to help her tidy and clean the place up, at least in the kitchen & livingroom then it's a lot more likely her children and grandchildren will come and visit.

YellowTulips · 15/08/2014 16:53

I don't think you need an excuse.

Time to be blunt. Maybe send an email or letter.

"Mum, if you want your GC's to spend time with you at your home, you and Dad are going to have to clean up. We can't have the kids crawling around on the floor when it's never cleaned and don't want them eating food from a kitchen that is totally unhygienic.

It's totally up to you how you chose to live, but there are consequences as a result. That is you can see us and the rest of the family at our homes but we won't be visiting you now or in the future unless things change.

I love you both, but I have to put my children's heath first (as do my siblings) and I'm sure you appreciate that.

I think over time you have both become immune to how dirty the house actually is. It's not about being tidy or not, it's about the fact that (and I can't put this nicely) the house is filthy. Perhaps in part because there is so much clutter you can't see beyond it.

If you want the situation to change me and siblings would be happy to come around for a weekend and help you make a start on de-cluttering and cleaning.

We all want for you to be a big part of DH's lives but for the moment that's going to have to exclude visits to your home. It's not been easy to write this, but none of use can keep giving you excuses and we want to be honest.

Love OP

Quangle · 15/08/2014 17:05

I can imagine what it's like (my grandparents weren't a million miles away from this - weevils in the Weetabix!)

But I think you might want to distinguish between your revulsion and discomfort with it and what it actually means for the DCs. I would hate to spend time in a house like that now but the children won't care. And I don't think anyone actually gets ill from a dirty carpet (or at least, we didn't).

Assuming it's not literally crawling with fleas and dog mess, I would think that this was all grease and grime but not actually harmful. My grandmother's house was actually rather fascinating to me as a child - all the chaos and weird stuff everywhere.

olgaga · 15/08/2014 17:12

Surely you don't have to write an email or letter to say their kitchen, carpets and furniture are filthy and unhygenic?

But I would compromise on the clutter. You can't tell them how to organise their belongings but you can expect your kids to be cared for in a reasonably clean environment.

YellowTulips · 15/08/2014 17:19

It's obv up to the OP, how to address this but the state of the sounds shocking.

Quite frankly sounds like you would wipe your feet on the way out rather than on the way in.

Whether face to face/phone/letter personally I would be totally blunt.

There is no way I'd let (or want personally) to spend time in a place like like and the thought of even having a cup of tea from a kitchen that fifthly makes me want to throw up.

I really don't understand posts saying "the kids won't notice". It's not really the point is it. If the OP and her siblings can't bear to be there for more than 10 mins why the hell would you impose that on your kids?

DoTheStrand · 15/08/2014 17:28

I don't often post but when I do it's often on threads about parents hoarding/living in grime Smile

As others have said (and you probably realise anyway as you've seen this situation go on or develop) you can't change them and it's their right to live how they want. But in your position I would limit my children's time there and just explain. I think it's kinder to explain why rather than leave them wondering.

Btw I'm not convinced children won't notice or mind if they do spend time there - some may not particularly when very young but I grew up in this sort of environment and as I got older I absolutely hated it and found it really depressing.

hackmum · 15/08/2014 17:33

I think YellowTulips's letter is good. It's kind of awful to be forever making excuses without telling them the real reason.

God knows how they'd take it though. It's humiliating to be told off by your own children.

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