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to think a hospital clinic shouldn't run this late

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GalaxyInMyPants · 14/08/2014 12:27

Over two hours late. My appt was half eleven but theres a poor woman sat here who's appt was ten o'clock. Loads to be seen before me.

nowhere to get food. Not even a water fountain.

last time I came there was a three hour delay.

I do love the nhs but this is seriously rubbish m

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Sirzy · 14/08/2014 15:37

Presuming it's not a case of the staff only stating late then I think it's one of those things you just have to accept as shit but happens. Even clinics are unpredictable.

Last time DS went to a clinic appointment we were with the doctor for 40 mins AND the dr went to get his consultant to who was with us for 20 mins of that time so presumably that made both of their clinics over run. That is better than being rushed out without any sort of solution being reached because they have to stick to appointment spots

Groovee · 14/08/2014 15:39

I once got an appointment for 8pm. Phoned up to check that it was right. It was and then I wasn't seen until 10pm! By which point the nurse with her had to waken me as I fell asleep.

The consultant was the best in that department and I always find the best do tend to over run because of the fact they take their time and look after each patient rather than it being a conveyor belt.

mausmaus · 14/08/2014 15:40

yanbu
half an hour, yes that's reasonable. more than 2 hours not so.
my gp practice even had the cheek for some time to cancel on you if you were not on time even if the dr/clinic ran behind by a lot already. a bit like easyjet checkin: one minute over and computer says no...
lots kf complaints stopped that, though.

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SistersOfPercy · 14/08/2014 15:47

One of the worst I recall was when my Dad was dying with lung cancer. Quite why they insisted he had to go to the local hospital I have no idea but this particular day we'd been sat there over two hours.

I politely approached the desk and asked what was going on as we'd been waiting for so long. The woman was absolutely horrible to me, she started off on a rant about how there were sick, elderly people here and I should shut up and wait and if I didn't she'd have me ejected. I calmly pointed to my Dad, in his wheelchair with his oxygen bottle and told her that I was with the sick, elderly, dying person right there and that frankly it was unfair to make him wait.

We went in next.

newnameforanewstart · 14/08/2014 15:56

Blinking heck I missed the vet comment!

Here´s the crux of the matter, what patients see in the waiting area´s etc and what is actually happening "behind the scenes" is if often vastly different.

A consultant may have had to take a phone call from someone eg. another consultant asking for his opinion, a follow up call, his secretary asking if x,y,z patient can be booked in as an emergency. He maybe the duty consultant that day and has been called to a ward, A and E, etc. etc. This could happen before, after or during clinic.

Theatres and operations can be delayed due to emergencies, specific staff being needed in an emergency eg. anaesthetists, surgeon etc.

The recovery rooms can become clogged due to several post op patients having issues,

Beds are a finite resource in most hospitals, we can not produce them out a hat, it is often a juggling act, of waiting for discharges, putting on a less than perfect ward holding patients in resus or A and E, transferring, this is a difficult job and the people that do it try there level best at all times to get patients into suitable wards, care levels but some patients will have to wait.

The theatres might be needed for an emergency, none routine, more serious condition which means that routine surgery falls to the bottom of the list.

A patient might take longer in his or hers appointment due to mobility issues, comprehension problems, fear, phobia, complicated medical issues, the need to prescribe, refer, confer and 1001 other reasons.

The computer system may go wrong meaning that notes etc take much more time to access for example current medication, referrals etc. this means the whole process becomes very long and tiresome for all concerned.

Some clinics are more at risk of over running than others, simply due to the nature of the medical situations they deal with.

Some doctors actually encourage patients to take there time and bring up anything they are worried about - have to read back in the notes and check things etc. But the great thing is that whilst you have sat and waited that doctor will deal with you in the same way.

Sometimes doctors are ill etc. and that means either cancel x number of patients or try and get everyone scene.

Sometimes doctors are late getting to work (does happen), have to go to the loo, grab a drink etc.

There are so many reasons that clinics run over time that it is almost a miracle when the run on time. Trust me all the clinic staff would much rather run on time that be late. Also sometimes the admin staff just DON¨T KNOW, yes if a doctor is off they should know this and be able to advise accordingly, but often they know nothing more than the clinic is running late and there are x number of patients in front of you waiting to be seen.

Short of having a team of doctors, nurses, aux staff, spare wards going unused, spare treatment rooms. etc. etc. etc. sat in hospital just in case X,y,z happens which the funding is simply not available for. There will be delays and there is nothing really that can be done about them either by the hospital / medical staff or by the patients. They are just a fact of the NHS, unpleasant yes but undeniable.

The fact is complaining vigorously to the front of line staff is not going to change funding and policy for that you need your MP and no the NHS is not free it is FREE at the point of use, and yes some people will pay in more than they use (same as private insurance), and yes everyone is funding everyone's treatment.

SistersOfPercy · 14/08/2014 16:05

Round these parts fracture clinic is very well known for waits of many hours. I spend a lot of time there due to various conditions in the family and always make the 8.30am appointment.

The one time I had the 11am appointment I didn't walk out until half three.

parallax80 · 14/08/2014 17:11

If you have problems like this, please please do take the time to complain to the trust (via PALS if necessary) - cut and paste from MN posts if that makes it easier.

It is infuriating to work in a system where there are l

parallax80 · 14/08/2014 17:13

-ing waiting times, over busy clinics, getting bleeped from the ward about in patient problems while in clinic, being asked to do complex clinics without relevant notes and all of the other things that can make it nigh on impossible to give patients the care they deserve. But front line staff have almost no control over these things whereas patient complaints are listened to.

DertieBertie · 14/08/2014 18:27

YANBU. I've worked in clinics that are so packed in and overrun due to lack of resources that they KNOW they will run 2 hours late before the patients have even got there! I feel awfully sorry for the patients, but there often is simply no way of improving things without a massive cash injection and extra staff, space and stuff.

Isitmylibrarybook · 14/08/2014 18:34

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DinoSnores · 14/08/2014 19:27

"but i would have thought it ought to be possible to try to 'build in' for a certain number of phone calls, emergency in patient needs, overrunning appointments etc, and set the appointment times to have leeway for that. That need not mean seeing fewer patients, would it"

What do you want us to cancel later on then?

We're already going straight from ward round into clinic into multi-disciplinary meeting into clinic into teaching.

parallax80 · 14/08/2014 19:29

We should cancel going home.

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insanityscratching · 14/08/2014 19:55

Dh goes to the haematology clinic which is always running late not least because appointments start before the consultant is due to arrive. The new strategy now is to warn patients that the time in clinic is 2 hours to allow for blood results. But when you get an appointment you are required to arrive an hour before the appointment for blood tests. It's still three hours sat in clinic like it has been for years now but patients don't get to complain anymore because you are told of the two hours in clinic and generally you are finished by then.Then it's another hour or more in pharmacy because of dispensing procedures for chemotherapy tablets following some mix up. Years ago it would be around an hour including blood tests, results and consultation.

atos35 · 14/08/2014 20:09

The doctors are unlikely to be sitting twiddling their thumbs and putting their feet up while there's a two hour wait going on outside. Yes it's a pain, yes it's not good but each patient is allocated 15 minutes and some will inevitably need much longer than that causing long delays. Yes they 'should' be given longer appointment times but this is the NHS and anyone who's worked in it will tell you that would should happen and what does happen are two different things unfortunately beyond the control of clinical staff. You should make a complaint, this is the only way 'management' will ever get to hear that patients are not happy with the service they are provided. Unfortunately being someone who works in NHS clinics I have seen countless patients taking their frustrations out on the nurses and reception staff who are powerless to do anything about it.

CrystalSkulls · 14/08/2014 20:13

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cuddybridge · 15/08/2014 22:23

when I had my DS, due to complications, he needed to be delivered by the consultant. I was booked in for his clinic day as he would be on the ward that morning. He never left the delivery room from 8 am until he was born at 12 .15. Ive always wondered who saw his patients he was due to see that morning?

NellyNoodle1 · 16/08/2014 03:16

Sorry to offend people with my vet comment I thought it was in context - and actually my dog is very important to me and it can be very stressful being with an unwell animal and being made to wait.

If it makes you feel better and as we are playing illness trumps I have to visit rheumatology for my very painful joint condition, a consultant for my eyes a I have a rare eye condition that even more rarely affects both my eyes and I'm currently pregnant and deemed high risk due to various complaints -I am currently horribly unwell and using crutches and off work so probably spending too much time on Mumsnet. I also have stomach problems as well so I see someone for that too and if you look at the time you ll see insomnia I'm currently waiting for painkillers to kick in. I have had four appointments so far this week and I very rarely go in on time so I was sympathising with the OP although being understanding that we are lucky for the help we receive.

I joined Mumsnet for a bit of support but obviously in the wrong place so that will be it from me then.

I hope you get everything sorted OP and that you were seen shortly after.

Isitmylibrarybook · 16/08/2014 07:57

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Boysclothes · 16/08/2014 09:30

Please don't mention queuing theory again... A civil servant might read it and then they will decide to spend millions on it and training all admin staff for months and then it won't bleeding work!

I run a clinic and proud to say I rarely run over time. But I've fought quite hard for twenty minute appointments and can do a bog standard quick antenatal in ten, so when you do get the women who need an hour I've often already built a little bit of flex in. But when someone needs an hour, they need an hour and that's it. The women behind will just have to wait, and if they need an hour next time they'll get it.

Our consultant clinics run vastly over time. They are works of fiction really. Five minute appointments and overbooked. Due to start at 830 when we know the consultant has ward rounds before the clinic. But what can you do? Women can't wait another week or two to be seen in obstetrics, they need to be seen when they need to be seen. The thing that could help would be delivering fewer women, so instead of 6000 deliveries we did 4500. But that would leave lots of women not able to be booked at our hospital, and a lack of "birth places" akin to the lack of school places. I think it's just suck it up, and accept that the amount of tax you pay to the NHS isn't enough to run that sort of service in all departments.

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Ilovenewts · 16/08/2014 12:08

I totally agree. It needs fixing but I don't know how. I've left a clinic that was running late because I sadly couldn't afford to take that long off work. I was min wage at the time and desperately skint. I just couldn't miss 2 extra hours when I could barely make the rent as it was.

Stratter5 · 16/08/2014 12:10

Doesn't surprise me. Last week DD1 had an ultrasound on her thyroid, and DD2 had an endoscopy for her coeliacs; both at 4pm.

DD1 was in and out within 10 minutes.

DD2 didn't go in for her endoscopy until 6.15pm. Fucking ridiculous, and we then had to wait for ages for the sedation to wear off. Which was actually hilarious, she's going to make an hysterical drunk one day.