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Each 2-2.5 st weight increase linked to cancer risk increase. AIBU to think those of us who can have a duty to lose weight?

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LapsedTwentysomething · 14/08/2014 09:11

And by that, I mean most of us. I have PCOS am 2.5st above the highest point of my healthy weight range. PCOS makes weight gain spectacularly easy and loss more difficult but I'm also a comfort eater and can address this. I just choose to make excuses.

Link here. This particularly caught my attention: 'each 13-16kg (2-2.5 stone) of extra weight an average adult gained was linked firmly and linearly to a greater risk of six cancers'. My mum was diagnosed with one of the cancers listed at an advanced stage last year. She has never been overweight. What the fuck am I doing to myself / my DCs / DP / the NHS?

AIBU to think this is actually quite stark, and it's imperative that those if us who need to and can lose weight should just Get On With It? I know this stuff isn't new but those links are clearee than ever.

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Beastofburden · 14/08/2014 14:16

The thing is, we all know lots of people and lots of stories. But the research is based on all of our stories- and all the stories we don't know about. Overall, this seems to be true. Maybe not for us individually; but what the research is saying is, if you have to make an informed guess about what will be true for you, well, here it is.

You do come across ppl who get a terrible health scare, and immediately lose the weight/give up the fags. But it's too late then. If they had done the same thing ten years earlier, who knows?

This is the nature of preventative medicine. By definition, you are talking to ppl who aren't ill yet, and might not become ill, about doing something they don't much fancy doing. Even if you can sell the immediate benefits of losing weight or giving up the fags, the long-term stuff seems very remote.

Do you have a duty to your kids? this is typical mum-speak: if I think it is for the benefit of DP or DC I can justify it. Not having a go at you, because I am absolutely just as bad. The fathers I know don't do this, you know: they lose weight or what have you for themselves, not for others. how about doing it because you, personally, deserve it?

As for is it worth it: the honest, sisterly answer is yes, it is worth it. You will feel better, have more fun and be healthier. I woldnt do it all through diet though, as it is a huge pain and a bore. I would take up some regular sport- cycling, perhaps, or swimming, so you don't knacker your knees.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 14/08/2014 14:18

The health service does, I am a trained nurse, but society does judge. Relatives urged my mil to fight it. As if she was somehow failing as cancer was consuming her.

I am 50 and had 4 kids. In my life health professionals hVe urged us to smoke/not smoke jog/not jog, eat meat/not eat meat/eggs. Stay out if the sun/beware of vit B-12 deficiency.

It makes people switch off.

I firmly belive it's pure luck and genetics. Anything else doesn't make actual sense to me on my life experience.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 14/08/2014 14:18

Sorry the health service doesn't judge

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 14/08/2014 14:22

Yes agree that being fat must be uncomfortable
And debilitating. I hated being pregnant for that reason.

Of course you try and influence your kids to lead generally healthy lives but I honestly worry about the creeping issue of blame here.

Beastofburden · 14/08/2014 14:25

I firmly belive it's pure luck and genetics.

I really hope not, as that means there is no point anyone doing research into cancer. But we have found some useful stuff, for instance around smoking and lung cancer; or asbestos. I don't see any reason why there isn't some more useful stuff to be found. Obesity has form for creating a lot of problems with hormones and so forth.

Pumpkinpositive · 14/08/2014 14:28

I can't stick to an app like MFP and I can't handle 5:2.

Why not?

Joysmum · 14/08/2014 14:29

Ah so having a 'duty' to lose weight makes it more likely or achievable?

In my experience, the more pressures heaped, the more likely the people who turn to food in life are to actually turn to food as a crutch.

WorraLiberty · 14/08/2014 14:40

Of course you try and influence your kids to lead generally healthy lives but I honestly worry about the creeping issue of blame here

People will always blame I'm afraid.

I've known many angry relatives blame their loved ones who died of lung cancer, or blame those they've lost due to heavy drinking and liver failure.

ADHDNoodles · 14/08/2014 15:16

Fat people know being fat is bad, the same way smokers know smoking is bad.

It's not surprising news.

If they want to be unhealthy, let them. They're the ones stuck living with their poor decisions and lifestyle choices.

Honsandrevels · 14/08/2014 15:27

Research is, at a very basic level, getting together all these anecdotes 'my mil was a vegan non-smoker who got lung cancer', my bil 'ate nothing but bacon and lived to 100', my obese fil 'ate a balanced-ish diet but recovered from colon cancer' - and making a huge dataset of thousands of clinical data so people can be compared to see what the risk factors are. This research has suggested a risk with being obese. It is a risk. It doesn't mean being obese gives you cancer because it isn't that simple!

Greenwayslide · 14/08/2014 15:36

The study involved 5million people anecdotal evidence is kind of pointless.

SinisterBuggyMonth · 14/08/2014 15:40

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scarletoconnor · 14/08/2014 15:45

I wish there was a 'fat' topic on mnet so I could hide it from my news feed I'm so bored of fat people threads.

yabu to bring it up when I've managed a full day without a fat thead in my newsfeed

WorraLiberty · 14/08/2014 15:46

Sinister I'm sorry to hear about your Dad, but the OP isn't saying that there aren't cancer cases that no amount of dieting/healthy living will stop.

Delatron · 14/08/2014 15:57

Yes but we all know that being overweight may slightly increase the risk. This is churned out by cancer research roughly ever 3 months or so. I think we all know how to be healthy. I would like to see research in to what causes the remaining 60% of cancers (lifestyle causes 30% and genetics 10). This 60% are labelled as 'environmental' factors. So this is when all these healthy, fit people are getting cancer...Surely this is the area research needs to focus on. I've stopped giving money to cancer research. All they seem to do is churn out the same 'research' very few months. I'd just like to see something new.

Soon it will be 1 in 2 of us getting cancer. Surely we need answers as to why, this is not down to weight.

Sallystyle · 14/08/2014 16:09

My ex died of blood cancer, he weighed like 9 stone before he got ill.

We can all think of people who were healthy who got cancer and those who are unhealthy who lived to be 100 can't we?

I don't exercise nearly enough and don't eat healthy enough. I quit smoking two years ago, don't drink and I am not overweight. I often struggle with my want of lowering my risks of cancer and heart disease and wanting to enjoy my life without worrying so much about my lifestyle. There is so much conflicting advice out there too. Saturated fats were thought to be a factor in heart disease, now some say they aren't. Can I enjoy my burgers in peace now? well depends on what article I read. Apparently my love of red meat will likely give me breast cancer, if not heart disease. I don't like many healthy foods so I am kind of stuffed. My slightly high cholesterol was not an issue for one of my GP's who believes in the cholesterol myth and gives great arguments against high cholesterol being linked to heart disease and how that all came about in the first place, but another GP thinks it is a major factor in heart disease. Which one do I believe? I googled it, both sides give convincing arguments and I think the NHS is crap when it comes to nutritional advice so I don't much trust their advice.

I watch my friend who lives this healthy lifestyle and thinks she is lowering her risks of cancer so much that she doesn't even have to worry about it. Well, my children just lost their dad and two granddads in the space of 8 months, none of them were particularly unhealthy.

If all experts could agree on these matters then that would help, but all I see is conflicting information, but of course, one thing we do know for sure is that being overweight increases the risks of a lot of illnesses. Thankfully, that is one part of my lifestyle that I corrected a few years ago when I lost five stone.

firesidechat · 14/08/2014 17:08

I wish there was a 'fat' topic on mnet so I could hide it from my news feed I'm so bored of fat people threads.

Yes that would be wonderful scarlet but it's not going to happen. People with a weight problem wouldn't venture there and there wouldn't be anyone one to bash over the head about their bad lifestyle choices.

LapsedTwentysomething · 14/08/2014 17:47

I'm not bashing anyone. I am the person. I recognise that there is something I can do to try to reduce my risk of ending up with the same cancer my DM has. So I'm getting the fuck on with it. I fully intend to do so slowly, therefore enjoying life as I go.

the excess weight is the one obvious risk factor I can alter. Obviously, it doesn't guarantee health and longevity, but it's a risk I can minimise through my own efforts.

^ this.

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LapsedTwentysomething · 14/08/2014 17:54

I am that person.

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Andallmyhopeisgone · 14/08/2014 18:06

I wish there was a 'fat' topic on mnet so I could hide it from my news feed

This.

I wish there was a weight loss topic too... oh wait... there is Hmm

Beastofburden · 14/08/2014 18:08

There's a news feed on MN?

I just wander onto active conversations and see what I fancy. Perhaps I should be more invested in making sure I don't miss threads I am not interested in.

suziepra · 14/08/2014 18:12

80% of cancers are from identifiable sources so potentially could have been avoided. But it's pretty common for people to think that their cancer was totally unavoidable.

Slim people can still have an awful diet.

Delatron · 14/08/2014 18:32

Can you provide a link which shows 80% of cancers are from identifiable sources? I'm sure it will be really helpful to all the people here who did everything right yet still got cancer...and all those who have family that did. This must be groundbreaking new research as I haven't heard about it...

firesidechat · 14/08/2014 18:35

80%?

Where is your link to that suzie?

I found a link that said 80% of breast cancer has NO identfiable cause.

firesidechat · 14/08/2014 18:37

Can you imagine the utopia where almost all cancers had a known cause. It certainly doesn't exist here and now. I wish people would get their facts right because this sort of misinformation makes all the cancer sufferers I know feel like shit.

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