declaring you don't earn any thing to hide paying CSA a penny

[OnlyWantsOne]

When you are in fact a director of a company that employs 10 full time members of staff, rent a £1300pcm home and drive 2 cars, take 2 foreign holidays a year and have a very active social life...

After yet another phone call with the CSA I am feeling bitter.

do you have proof of the rental price of his home? or can you get it by getting hold of the paperwork for a similar house in the same street? does he live alone? the problem is, if his rental agreement is in the name of his mother/sister/new girlfriend ('cos it always seems to be a woman hiding these bastards), then the CSA can't take it into account.

So if he is living that lifestyle how is he claiming tax credits? Surely that is benefit fraud, can you not tip off the HMRC and let them investigate?

it is worth making a report. You will unlikely ever know the outcome but you never know. The problem is, the CSA won't do anything about it even if he's found guility which is very, very frustrating. You just need to keep an eye on websites (I find googling his mobile phone number to be very enlightening!) and look for evidence of new business and keep putting it across to the CSA. At some point, someone will decide there's enough info to pursue him. Do ask if there is enough evidence to put the case to 'criminal compliance' and if they say no, ask for the detail of why not (and make a note of it).

A man who doesn't pay maintenance for his child, is an abusive father. If we didn't live in a patriarchy, everyone would know that

Amen to that. And I'm not religious!

I think AskBasil is my new favourite MNer.

If he is sustaining this lifestyle from the profits of his business then the only way he can legally be doing it is to give himself dividends. The dividends are taxed in a slightly different way but are still, most definately classed as income and hence would need to be declared on his annual tax return. If he is not paying himself in dividends then how is he maintaining this lifestyle? Do you think he is defrauding the system if he is claiming Tax credits???

Him and his partner are both directors. He claims he's a SAHD.

House rent - when he moved I googled the address and found it on rightmove with the rental price shown.

OK. If he technically isn't working and the money is all being run through his partner's name, the CSA really do have their hands tied. I am afraid this is a loop-hole that is difficult to close and unless you have evidence of serious finance in his name (like a mortgage, for example), I have not heard of people being able to overcome it. It may be worth pursuing a variation on the 'lifestyle inconsistent with declared income' grounds and pushing it to appeal/tribunal if you possibly can.

There may be some challenge along the lines of directors not being equally renumerated but if he's a silent partner, they may get away with that as well. Have a good look at their accounts each year as soon as they are published and see what they show.

I really don't understand women who engage in this and see children go without but sadly, it is all too common a tale. You just have to hope she leaves him high and dry without money at some point!

I am sorry this has happened to you as well. I am guessing there is no consolation in knowing you are not alone but you're not! I still have a case open with the CSA but don't really actively pursue it anymore. I simply manage. I found it easier to accept than be angry at it but it took a while to get to that position.

LOL thanks redexpat

This bloody is a feminist issue. The most shocking posts on here are tbe ones saying "stick with the csa - I now get £200 a month" (or whatever). These women should be proud theyre finally getting something but a few hundred a month which presumabloy includes backdated amounts is nothing to spend on what yIur children need. And the women themselves will have been paying this so far. Becaus they meet their children's needs. Because theyre decent parents not neglectful fuckwits.

I've been fighting the csa to do something or anything for 13 years.

I get absolutely nothing.

The nrp has a 5 bed detached house, it was a 3 bed but he got the builders in, his 2 younger children with the new wife go to private school. He doesn't have a job and apparently neither does she. He also owns 2 houses both of which have a charge on them on my behalf until he got the nil assessment about 10 years ago and therefore has owed me nothing for the last 10 years.

The csa finally said they'd force the sale of one of the properties to get me the money (remember this is only a tiny amount of what he really owes but because he's managed to wing a nil assessment for so long it doesn't accrue).

They told me this in January. Update? Nada.

Neither of them claim benefits so how the hell do the csa think he can afford anything?

I refuse to speak to the csa anymore. I find it too stressful. Too frustrating. Meanwhile I flog my arse off working full time to keep the kids clothed and fed and a roof over their heads.

I feel your pain op. I found it easier to walk away. I got too bitter and het up and it didn't make any difference.

I'm even really annoyed writing that!

When my husband ,he previously gave his ex money every week face to face as mai tenance for their daughter she decided to go to the CSA anyway ,anyway the CSA phoned my husband up the day after she made a claim they tracked him through his ni number And calculated a CSA payment is this not easy enough?

Yes easy but can the csa make him out his hands in his pockets and not actually pay?

The nrp in my life went to court and told the judge to his face he was never going to pay a penny.

What happened to him dear reader? Sweet fuck all.

I'm off this thread! I'm too wound up! Sorry :)

But don't they do an attachment of earnings or they b!oody well should do if the nrp refuses to pay in my husbands case the CSA said do you want to pay direct debit or have itvtaken direct from source ,he pays direct debit .

I know of a case like this where the nrp owned properties and the mortgages were fronted so he didnt show on the land registry.
Csa examined his expenditure to prove he was lying about income. He was sentenced to 12 months and served 4. I bet he's left prison and picked up his businesses where he left off.

x2boys the CSA works well for people who earn on a PAYE basis and those who are self employed and don't intend to hide anything. Unfortunately, there are ways of legally (and not so legally) hiding money if you're self employed which mean that taking money direct from source isn't quite so easy - they put an attachment of earnings on my ex but as it was him who would be paying it, he never bothered. They are understaffed and/or don't have the will to chase people quickly enough - and if you know this, you know you can get away with it. They have got some money for me with 6 years persistence and by taking it as far as they could but that is about to stop and my ex has got far cleverer over the last few years. He is literally opening and closing down businesses at a rate of knots making himself hard to trace, let alone pin down.