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To see less of my friend because of her ds?

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LiegeAndLief · 12/08/2014 10:52

I have two dc who are 8 and 5. A very good friend of mine is currently on mat leave with a 3yo and a baby. My dc have known her ds (the 3yo) since he was born and are very fond of him, they usually play well together despite the age gap.

My friend has always had quite a different style of parenting to me, more gentle and involving more negotiating - I don't scream and shout (mostly!) but am definitely firmer. This hasn't really been a problem until recently. Her ds is really starting to assert himself and is becoming quite difficult for my dc to play with. He can be a lovely little boy but likes everyone to do what he wants. He changes his mind a lot about what they should be doing and who should be playing with him, literally pushes my 8yo around / out of the game, won't share out whatever they are playing with etc. My friend does occasionally tell him off but seems to think they should mainly put up with it, especially the 8yo as he is so much older.

The reason I feel bad about this is that I know my friend is struggling at home with both dc and is finding her ds difficult to manage. She struggles to get him dressed and out in the morning, he runs away constantly when out. If she rings to ask to come round, and we are out at the playground or something, she doesn't come and join us because her ds wants to see my dc but only in their house, or at his house, or whatever he has decided. She is a good friend and has helped me out massively in the past and I would really like to help her now, but not by being at the beck and call of a 3yo who bosses my dc around! Every time I say no to a specific request to meet up I feel awful (if we have nothing else on we often do do what she has suggested). I don't know how to make suggestions about how to handle her ds without it sounding like a criticism of her parenting. What can I do?

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Mouthfulofquiz · 12/08/2014 11:08

Difficult! I have a nephew who sounds almost exactly the same and I do have to say that I only really spend time with him either at playgrounds or at his house so that my house doesn't end up trashed with my little boy's toys smashed up everywhere! I think maybe encouraging her to come to where you are, if you are at a park etc might diffuse the situation a bit as you will be outside and not hemmed in? If he is hurting your kids or pushing them around then nothing wrong with saying 'we don't push' or 'that wasn't very kind, say sorry to x' etc.

WorraLiberty · 12/08/2014 11:23

I think you need to teach your children to be more assertive with him.

Arm them with responses, so when he starts bossing them around, they'll know what to say and do.

Tell them to be kind but very firm. Kids often learn a lot more about behaviour from other kids, than they do from adults.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 12:21

I am kind of struggling with the picture of a 3 year old ruling the rooste with an 8 year old.

There's such a huge age gap I would have thought your dc would be bored.

Really really Important to hold on to the premise that just because the adults are friends the children have every right to hate the sight of each other.

You and your friend have the relationship so meet up after the kids are in bed or when yours are bAck at school.

SaucyJack · 12/08/2014 12:39

You could start by speaking up (and telling your DCs that it's ok for them to too) from now on whenever he's at your house and it's your DCs toys/rooms that he's refusing to share. As in "This is X's house. He can play where he likes." yadda yadda. I know I'd feel more comfortable telling off someone else's kid on home soil meself.

His mum probably won't like it tbh- but you need to put your kids first. Otherwise sane, decent parents need to learn that no more play dates will be the consequence of their "Please stop hitting Granny with the cricket bat Tarquinius" approach to parenting. It's not for your small children to bear the brunt of it.

WilburIsSomePig · 12/08/2014 14:22

I have had a similar issue with a 4 year old bossing my 10 year old DS! DS is a gentle soul and very fond of this little lad so I eventually started to manage my friendship with his mum differently, which may be what you need to do. Dont stop seeing her, I think she may need you. Have you asked her if she wants help?

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 14:27

I had some who quite frankly had pretty vile kids so I see the friends without the kids

I have friends with kids that we all liked so see them in the day/hols.

catkind · 12/08/2014 15:05

I think expecting an 8 yr old to be friends with a 3 yr old is optimistic to say the least. Even 3 and 5 could be pushing it. If you go visiting as families, I would expect the adults to have to interact with the 3 yr old more and let the older children get on with their own things. Maybe the adults could get them all playing football or lego together or something, but I wouldn't expect it to work without adult help.

I'm not sure this is a discipline issue so much as children just operating at completely different levels. It's asking the 8 yr old to babysit really, and most 8 yr olds would be a bit young for that. 3 is stuck somewhere between "cute baby to play with" and a peer who they can interact on a level.

ADHDNoodles · 12/08/2014 16:58

Well, I would tell your 8 year old its ok to not do what a 3 year old demands. For instance if 3 year old demands toy you can tell 8 year old it's ok to say "Uhm, how about please?". Toddlers are bossy little things anyway, and catering to him is doing him no favors.

I am still was bossy as a young girl and got away only with what people let me. I learned more "rules" from my peers than my parents.

LiegeAndLief · 12/08/2014 17:58

I know it sounds a bit odd playing together with their age differences but my d's is very fond of this little boy and actively wants to play with him. There is only just over a year between him and my dd so they are always off together and I think ds feels left out, even when I have tried to include him more in the adult stuff.

Normally I would agree with not seeing them with kids in tow but my friend likes to meet up in the day with kids because it makes life a bit easier for her, an extra pair of hands (or two, as ds can be very good at helping out) with a baby and a difficult 3yo. I know she is struggling as she's told me quite often and will actually ring saying she's having a bad day and her ds is being awful, can she come round? I really feel for her and want to help her, but it's proving somewhat tricky!

To be fair this is a temporary situation really because of the summer holidays, normally I would be at work more and she would have toddler groups etc to keep her sane.

Thanks very much for all the advice. I think I definitely need to give the dc some coping strategies as at the moment they tend to just stand there looking dumb founded.

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LiegeAndLief · 12/08/2014 18:00

Sorry, meant there is only just over a year between the 3yo and my 5yo.

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HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 18:03

Sounds like she could really use a friend at the moment.

Have you tried stepping in say saying no 3yo that's not kind let 8 yo play too and that type if thing, just some gentle firmness rather than ticking him off?

I would rather someone tell me honestly than just not ask me over, though I know that would be difficult.

Purplepoodle · 12/08/2014 19:23

3 can be a super difficult age. My middle child has gone from being an absolute angel to demon hell spawn just after his 3rd birthday.

I would say your house your rules. Set firm boundaries and stick to them in your house. My kids listen so much more to my friends in their houses than in our own.

Trollsworth · 12/08/2014 20:34

Hmmm. Maybe teach your children to tell him nor plain it as "three year olds want all sorts of things they can't have, and one of those things is to boss other children about. It's ok to say 'No, I don't do what three year olds say'"

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