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To get annoyed by a badly written novel with serious factual mistakes

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PhaedraIsMyName · 27/07/2014 18:01

Author thinks the witness to a crime can decide who the Crown calls as expert witness.

Expert witness is a therapist who was treating the witness to the crime. Expert witness is married to a lawyer. Expert witness has been discussing the background with lawyer husband. The person accused of the crime is the crime scene witness'father. Author thinks the lawyer husband can represent the accused and this is not a conflict.

Lawyer husband is actually employed in a government legal department and author thinks lawyer husband can, whilst still employed, act as a defence lawyer.

It's tosh. Did nobody bother to edit or proof read it?

Is it just me who bothers about stuff like this?

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AnnaLegovah · 28/07/2014 08:35

Stuff like this makes me very glad that the novel I'm writing is in the future - much more artistic freedom Wink.

Feel like I need to stick up for Jean Auel a bit though - there are plenty of North American plants/animals that would have been seen on what is now Europe during that time period (lions in Trafalgar Sq anyone?). Given that she spent years and years researching I trust her to get it right. Characterisation, however...Wink

Perfectlypurple · 28/07/2014 08:39

Years ago I started to read a book where they mixed the names up. A lady, I will call her Jane was travelling to another country on a boat. In the country she was travelling to there was a man waiting to meet a woman he had never met, let's call her Marie. On the journey Jane fell and lost her memory and didn't know who she was. She goes with the man waiting for Marie as he thinks she is Marie. Bad enough???? Then as the author forgets to check the names he starts calling her Jane and she answers. No idea what happened in the book as I had to stop reading.

FatalCabbage · 28/07/2014 08:47

Death Comes To Pemberley had me absolutely raging - but then fanfic usually does.

I read a lot of Regency novels, some old (Bronte, Austen), some newer (Heyer) and some new, and the new are often excruciating. For example, a not particularly wealthy young woman in 1810 London having blueberry pancakes and freshly squeezed orange juice for breakfast. Fuck. Off.

thisvelvetglove · 28/07/2014 08:54

Jeffery Deaver has Lincoln Rhyme running samples on his GC with no sample preparation whatsoever!

Every time he tells his technician to "burn it" I get a bit of a twitch.

Also similar to CSI all his runs take a few minus and he never has to change the column or set up a new method on an instrument.

(analytical chemistry geekery allowed too? )

thisvelvetglove · 28/07/2014 08:54

A few minutes

treaclesoda · 28/07/2014 08:55

I loved The Pilot's Wife Blush I knew it was utter guff (again because there were a lot of references to where I'm from and they were just wrong) but I couldn't put it down. I quite like Anita Shreve in general for a bit of a light read. Do I need to name change now to hide my shame? Grin

Dickiewiddler · 28/07/2014 09:04

Dan Brown, in Da Vinci Code, says that the Isle of Wight is off the coast of Kent. And from that moment he was dead to me and all his work worthless.

cardamomginger · 28/07/2014 09:06

I heard a radio interview years ago with the author (can't remember who) whose latest book (can't remember the title) was about a pair of conjoined twins who had been surgically separated at a very young age (and I believe separated in life too) who had then fallen in love and committed incest. This wasn't a gay/lesbian love story. One of the twins was male and one was female. I don't think so.

PiratePanda · 28/07/2014 09:06

I love this thread!!!

monal · 28/07/2014 09:22

Jean Auel is a lady?! Oops.

sashh · 28/07/2014 09:34

Dan Brown, in Da Vinci Code, says that the Isle of Wight is off the coast of Kent. And from that moment he was dead to me and all his work worthless.

Dear godess and all the sea sprites - I worked through that because everyone seemed to be reading it. No you can't look around in the Louvre and see every tourist sight in Paris.

And because it was not in the library I read the other bloody one first.

BIG BIG FUCKING BIG ERROR - the RC church, certainly in the time frame of the book, has/had the same view of IVF as it does on abortion. No nun would go looking for IVF treatment.

Dubjackeen · 28/07/2014 09:41

I got a book out of the library once and every time it said should of someone had crossed out of and wrote have.

I would have wanted to burn that book. Seriously, how did that get through any kind of proof reading or checking!

bibliomania · 28/07/2014 09:42

I got very confused by some "Irish" dialogue where the author thought that "I'm after doing...." meant "my intention is to do" instead of "I have just done". Couldn't work out work if an action was in the past or the future.

Another book had a well-off middle-aged couple decide on impulse to drive from Dublin to Galway for an evening to drink whiskey and then come home a couple of hours later. Here's where mere internet fact-checking might let you down - for an American author looking at the distance, it would probably have seemed feasible, but there are different attitudes to driving long distances (not to mention the state of the roads 20 or 30 years ago). You just wouldn't do that return trip for a single evening. And a respectable middle-aged woman wouldn't have been downing whiskey anyway (at least when I think of my aunts/neighbours etc who would have been her equivalent).

CoteDAzur · 28/07/2014 09:44

YANBU. Mistakes totally ruin the book for me.

The Power Of Now was particularly bad. How was I supposed to respect a book that says a woman's menstrual pain is because she is tapping into the collective suffering of all women throughout history? Or that even a stone is conscious, because if it were not its atoms would disperse? Seriously Hmm

thisvelvetglove · 28/07/2014 09:46

I always get annoyed with any book that describes a character as having a 'British accent' (unspecified region)

I almost wrote a letter to one of my favourite authors to complain about it. Blush

CinnamonSwirl31 · 28/07/2014 09:52

Love this thread! Can't remember if it's in the original book as well, or just the film, but it always got to me that Bridget Jones could afford to live just off London Bridge / Borough market on her own on a measley publishing salary. And don't get me started on how empty the streets of London are!!

kentishgirl · 28/07/2014 10:00

I do my best to switch off my inner pedant and just go with the flow and enjoy what I'm watching or reading. I'm good at ignoring the many historical errors.

Sometimes little details just jerk you out of that 'suspension of disbelief' and back into the real world, and it's such a shame. I think it's not practical to check every single fact in a novel or programme though. The author puts that particular wrong fact down, because they actually believe it's correct. They don't think it needs checking. We all 'know' things that are wrong. We don't realise it about our own gaps and failures.

Still, I do get irritated sometimes.

Kate Moss - Labrynth. Enjoyable book. She misunderstands something about horse anatomy. She uses the word 'withers' several times. I guess she likes the look or sound of the word, without knowing anything about horses. Withers are not wherever she thinks they are. It irked me every time.

And on horses, yep, whoever the writer is, they are nearly all robotic ones that don't need food, water, rest, care. And horses in fiction are bloody noisy, constantly whinnying and neighing at dramatic moments. Horses are pretty quiet animals on the whole and 99% of the time only make noises when they are communicating with other horses. They don't randomly neigh while you are riding them.

Pastperfect · 28/07/2014 10:04

pirate coffee actually originated in Africa, Ethiopia to be precise.

I can tolerate many in consistencies in novels but poor spelling really irritates me - given spellcheck how are such errors even possible?!

Latara · 28/07/2014 10:10

I've studied a lot about WW2, particularly the Holocaust and I think it's important that people get their facts straight about those topics.

So books and films that make glaringly bad historical errors really piss me off.

One book (can't remember the name but it's a recent bestselling book) had the Americans liberating Auschwitz!!!
Ben Elton wrote a wartime book too ('Two Brothers') that contained some inaccuracies.

Just gets right on my nerves.

TheConsciousnessofStones · 28/07/2014 10:19

I have namechanged for this post (obviously).

cote, there are people out there who genuinely believe investigating the consciousness of stones is an important thing. I quote:

'The cultural truth of the mineralogical: nothing could be less expressive, less unyielding and unchanging, less taciturn or unfeeling, less fundamental than stone. ...

Or so it seems to us, we whose lives are so short that were the stone we walk and build upon sentient, our presence would register nothing, we mayflies who live and perish in less than a blink. Small things who think our ephemeral walking and building expansive, who measure the world as if it were likewise swift and small. Small things who dwell in a large and rocky world. If stone could speak, what would it say about us?

Stone would call you transient, sporadic. The mayflies analogy was bruising to you, but apt. Stone was here from near the beginning, from the time when the restless gases of the earth decided they did not want to spend their days in swirling chaos, in couplings without lengthy comminglings, and settled into solid forms. Dolomite knows that story. ... And it is from this vantage, this vantage so anthropodiscentered that language almost fails its imagining, it is from this lapidary point of view that stone can be seen to possess a life of its own.

A protean substance that retains no form in permanence, stone moves. Stone creates: architectures, novelities, art. Lava is the truth of stone, not a rocky aberration. All stone is in motion. Yet the humming bird pulse of human time is too rapid for geologic mobility to be seen. You expect stone to be heavy, but stone is light. If stone had a voice it would be less ponderous than your own. If you lived more slowly, if your hurried heartbeat did not limit the rhythm of your discerning, did not bind you to your swift smallness, you would know that you and stone are both human, or both stone.'

Halsall · 28/07/2014 10:19

I read one of MIL's Katie Ffordes once desperate for reading material of any kind and the heroine was an ex-architecture student who's always telling everyone how well-qualified she is, top of her class, knows everything about buildings etc etc.

She then buys a stereotypical country cottage in need of major renovation and is 'stunned' to discover that it's listed and she can't just do whatever she wants to it.

Suspension of disbelief = total. I bowed out at that point.

treaclesoda · 28/07/2014 10:22

I would be clueless about all those horse errors, I didn't know that horses don't make much noise. Now horse errors will be annoying me too and it'll all be the fault of this thread Angry Grin

ClashCityRocker · 28/07/2014 10:34

Also in the da Vinci code, Teabing, an upper class English patriot, refers to football as soccer. Rest of the book was tosh as well, like, but that really irked me.

One that I allowed, as the rest of the book is marvellous, in the green mile....they have Percy in a strait jacket and duct taped his mouth. They remove the duct tape so he can talk - and he immediately rubs his lips... Hmm

kungfupannda · 28/07/2014 10:42

"Judge John deed is another - most crown court judges would eat him for breakfast AND he would have been dis barred years ago for his level of interference. "

I know someone who used to work as a consultant on JJD, and they apparently ignored every single correction she ever made, on the basis that it wouldn't make for good TV!

All these errors in published books are actually quite reassuring. I'm writing a novel at the moment, where I need enough years to have passed between one set of events and another, for the main character to be in her twenties, but this means that another character will be substantially older than I want him to be. I'm now wondering if I can just make them the ages I want them to be, and gloss over the maths and get away with it. I can always just use the Dr Who explanation of wobbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.....

kungfupannda · 28/07/2014 10:44

The other thing that has been worrying me is when my characters go long periods of time without an opportunity to wee.

But then again, I don't think I've ever read a book and wondered when someone last visited a toilet.

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