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Priest telling boys how to pee at school?

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Downamongtherednecks · 23/07/2014 21:10

Tween ds is at a private school, not UK. Most staff are female. There were incidents of the boys’ loos being left with pee around the lavatory bowl, so a male member of staff (priest) took the boys into the loos (in groups) to tell them that this was unacceptable and to suggest that they aim better and that they should perhaps practice more (!).
This was not discussed at all with parents.
AIBU to think this was not an acceptable thing for the school to do? It seems far too private and something surely better handled by parents. Priest has form for sexism so it is possible that may be one reason I instinctively don’t like it. DH (robustly boys’ private-school educated) says this was fine, it's a boy/male teacher thing, and he can’t see a problem with it. Happy to be told I am being biased against the sexist priest. No intention of taking it up with school btw, as dc are leaving anyway. AIBU?

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Dontlaugh · 24/07/2014 00:16

Equating corporal punishment to best practice in child protection has flummoxed even me.
Seriously??
And I'm from a culture where metre sticks where regularly used to hit children up to 1983.
Gimme a fucking break.

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PhaedraIsMyName · 24/07/2014 00:20

Equating this as a child protection issue has completely flummoxed me.

You said It's simply best practice from a CP point of view to have 2 adults present anytime personal issues such as toileting are being discussed. How is this unusual?

But it's not a "personal issue" -it's leaving the toilets in a mess.

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Dontlaugh · 24/07/2014 00:25

Leaving the toilets in a mess is a maintenance issue.
Taking children in to view that mess with one adult is personal, and not appropriate.
It should be dealt with on a whole school basis, in the classroom, and by communicating with families.

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TakeMeUpTheNorthMountain · 24/07/2014 00:32

Listen I'm too. I've a paternal grandmother who had a symphesiotomy, an aunt who was in a magdalan laundry, a father who was brutalised by the Christian brothers and g my self had the shit kicked out of me by the nuns for being disabled and I STILL don't see what was wrong here.

Please don't play the irish card, like we have the monopoly no paedophile priests.
That priest did what anyone would have. If it had been a female teacher, you wouldn't bat an eye.

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TakeMeUpTheNorthMountain · 24/07/2014 00:33

I'm irish too, that should say

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PhaedraIsMyName · 24/07/2014 00:46

Leaving the toilets in a mess is a maintenance issue.
Taking children in to view that mess with one adult is personal, and not appropriate


I'm beyond flummoxed now. They made the mess. If they'd left the dining hall in a mess, or dropped litter in the grounds or had a pillow fight in the dorm what is wrong with pointing out the results of their inconsiderate behaviour?

It is not a maintenance issue; that would be when the toilets don't work. Here it's pointing out the mess that they are leaving the cleaners or janitors to clean up behind them.

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KoalaDownUnder · 24/07/2014 01:58

This is utterly ridiculous.

OP, you said you're 'happy to be told you're biased against the sexist priest'. Well, okay then: you're being biased against the priest. (And I refuse to call him 'sexist' just because he referred to women talking as 'yapping', really?!)

You sound incredibly precious. Kids pissing on the floor is not a 'personal issue' that needs to be delicately handled by their parents. And why the fuck should a female member of staff have to deal with it?? (Talk about sexist: pot calling the kettle black!)

You know perfectly well that nothing untoward happened, since the boys were there in a group. I think you're just looking for something to gossip about with the other mothers at the school gate, tbh.

Kids leaving a filthy mess for others to clean up is not a personal issue, or a maintenance issue (?). It's a basic behavioural/respect issue, and one that you should be grateful to the school for addressing.

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SignYourName · 24/07/2014 02:17

This is such a bizarre thread.

OP, you don't like the priest so you're (consciously or subconsciously) looking for reasons to be displeased with him / evidence that he is unprofessional so that your dislike is justified and based on more than just character clash or whatever. On this occasion however, you're barking up the wrong tree; he acted appropriately based on the issue being dealt with.

Nothing else to see here, please move on...

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Downamongtherednecks · 24/07/2014 04:40

Sorry, wasn't around as it was my turn to help at Scouts. I'm happy to take onboard the majority view that AIBU which I think stems from the fact that I see peeing as a lot more private an issue than others appear to. And it wouldn't have changed with gender - I don't want dd lectured in a loo either! I really don't mind that the school dealt with it - but the setting makes me uncomfortable, and I agree with the posters who said another adult there would have made me happier. and I don't like the priest at all but you have to admit I was very up front about it As for playing the Irish card - well, I was just waving at Dontlaugh, certainly it wasn't pivotal.

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KoalaDownUnder · 24/07/2014 05:18

I see peeing as a lot more private an issue than others appear to

Err, no. We all see peeing as something private, because you expose your genitals. Nobody was peeing, though - they were shown pee left on a toilet floor. Surely you see the difference? Confused

I don't want dd lectured in a loo either!

If that's where the pee is, how else are the teachers supposed to show the children what they're referring to?

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mathanxiety · 24/07/2014 06:05

I don't understand why he needed to take them into a cubicle, show them pee on the floor, and then discuss it with them in that setting?

I would not be happy if dd were taken into a loo and shown how to dispose of sanitary supplies in a bin either, even though obviously that is something I want her to learn.

When I was in secondary in Ireland in the late 70s and early 80s there was an ongoing problem one year with some girls leaving used STs and tampons strewn around in one particular bathroom.

The school was divided into areas, with the classes from each separate year having their homerooms in particular areas, and each area had a boys' loo and a girls' loo. The disgraceful loo happened to be in the area that my year's homeroom was in. The loo was located near one of the exits and was used by pretty much every girl in the school. Nevertheless the girls in my year were all marched in to see the mess, marched out, and read the riot act by the Principal who was a man (not a priest; it was not a religious school). He didn't do any shaming of anyone and he didn't say anything to indicate he thought there was anything distasteful about periods, etc. What he focused on was respect for the cleaning crew and by extension respect for anyone else employed to do menial jobs, and how arrogant it was to leave a mess like that for someone else to clean up even if they were paid to clean.

Names were picked out of a hat, latex gloves from the biology lab were distributed, and the offending items were picked up by those unlucky girls whose names had been picked. Next time it happened more names were picked. Gradually the problem came to an end.

The school cleaners (a crew of women some of whom had children and grandchildren in the school) had refused to clean biohazards and tbh I do not blame them. Neither did any of the parents, even those whose daughters had done their turn cleaning.

I don't think anyone, least of all lowly school cleaners, is paid enough to deal with that sort of mess children and teens (boys and girls alike) are capable of leaving in a school loo.

I don't think missing the loo is confined solely to pre-teen boys, given some of the threads I have seen on here about some people's DHs!
Maybe if some priest had taken those DHs aside when they were schoolboys and told them how to pee into the loo no women who clean the bathrooms after them would be complaining?

DS is ...not terribly guilty of peeing like a puppy
So he sometimes misses the toilet????
This attitude of acceptance of sheer contempt towards the person who will clean it all up gives me The Rage.
Do you seriously put up with this from a preteen boy?
Shock

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mathanxiety · 24/07/2014 06:09

No wonder the boys' peeing problems needed attention if that is the attitude coming from their homes.

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daisychain01 · 24/07/2014 06:11

Taking children into a toilet to give them a lecture is weird and inappropriate. I have taught in 2 boys' boarding schools and at both the school priest turned out to be abusing the boys

Great, so now 'it's guilty until proven innocent'!

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ApocalypseThen · 24/07/2014 06:16

Yes. Even if the parents are unable to teach their sons about their responsiblities towards other members of society and consideration for others, you'd think that they could at least teach them this one thing out of respect for their personal dignity.

I'm really shocked that parents are looking for reasons to be angry with an apparently blameless around kids priest rather than embarrassed by their own dereliction of duty.

Can it be assumed that the boys now know that this shouldn't have happened so they don't need to change?

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Pipbin · 24/07/2014 07:31

Oh no. Earlier in the year I took a group of boys into the toilet to talk to them about not shitting in the urinal. I wasn't aware that this was child abuse.

Also, if the op is an American then I think we need to remember that there is a slight cultural difference here. Americans can be prudish about toilets. Talking about 'using the bathroom' or 'taking a comfort break', where as us Brits are more likely to say 'using the loo' or 'having a piss'.

Ultimately yabu.

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/07/2014 07:35

Op then make sure you teach your ds at home how to aim properly, he should knows this by now!

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/07/2014 07:36

He only showed them what tgey had done and the mess tgey had made not how to wee fgs!

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DogCalledRudis · 24/07/2014 07:48

A least they don't force them to wee sitting down as happens in some countries.

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WatchingSeaMonkeys · 24/07/2014 07:54

OP YABU and mad

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SybilRamkin · 24/07/2014 08:01

^^ This

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andmyunpopularopionis · 24/07/2014 08:06

The poor man. Having to teach boys they have to wee in the toilet because their parents didn't, and then being called names for doing it.

You just can't win in todays society.

And... We, as mothers, have also been asked to stop the constant chatter (yap yap yapping) outside the school.it is noisy and causes congestion. No offence taken, the headmaster is not now labelled sexist, we go to a coffeeshop for a natter instead. No biggie!

You guys need to find some real issues to worry about... Or count yourselves lucky that thus is the biigest issue you have!

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andmyunpopularopionis · 24/07/2014 08:08

The poor man. Having to teach boys they have to wee in the toilet because their parents didn't, and then being called names for doing it.

You just can't win in todays society.

And... We, as mothers, have also been asked to stop the constant chatter (yap yap yapping) outside the school.it is noisy and causes congestion. No offence taken, the headmaster is not now labelled sexist, we go to a coffeeshop for a natter instead. No biggie!

You guys need to find some real issues to worry about... Or count yourselves lucky that thus is the biigest issue you have!

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 24/07/2014 08:22

Yap, yap, yap seems rude and is mildly sexist (in a similar way to "calm down dear") as it's unlikely a group of dads talking would be referred to in the same way.

The toilet thing seems fine.

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victrixludorem · 24/07/2014 08:27

Sexist? Guilty until proven innocent?

No. Just realistic. Sex abuse is mainly committed by men. Children at boarding school are particularly vulnerable and child sex abuse is rife in prep schools - there is yet to come a scandal in the future on the same, or greater, scale than there has been about the Catholic Church recently. Allowing a lone man to take little boys in small groups off to talk about penises is simply creating an opportunity for abuse that is clearly not necessary, and the fact that he wanted to do this is worrying.

The disdain/dismissal/disregard for child safeguarding on this thread is deeply worrying. Maybe it is naivety on the part of women who have had no involvement with male boarding schools which is still Sad for the little boys concerned. OP's gut reaction of dislike of the priest is also not to be as lightly dismissed as others have done. There is a lot in gut instinct when it comes to child protection.

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 24/07/2014 08:29

He was talking about piss, not penises.

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