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to feel society is telling me I am getting old/going into decline?

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Hedgebets · 12/07/2014 01:49

I'm 30. Before you flame me, I don't think 30 is old. Nor do I think 40, 50 or 60 are old. I imagine one starts to get a bit tired around 70 - but who knows, I'm not there yet.

The problem I am having is that I feel the media and the job market are all implying that I am now in decline. And I'm wondering whether this is actually true, and if it isn't, why I feel this way.

A bit of context on these feelings:

The first 27 years of my life were not easy. I had a difficult childhood with abusive parents and left home early. I spent most of my twenties dealing with a neurological illness which meant that my days were frequently interrupted by seizures, which made it hard to hold down a job. Over the years I made deals with various bosses that I was allowed to go home and sleep when I had a seizure, as long as I made up for it by working unpaid overtime into the night. It was a very competitive area and so there was no "issue" to raise in regards to illness or unpaid overtime and what I did was considered very exceptional and unheard of. I felt that I was running, frantically to catch up, while others without the complications of illness, were walking and progressing seamlessly through their career.

By 27 I had worked so hard and had built up enough trust with various clients that I was able to work from home completely and also survive financially from that wage. It was a huge relief as I had built up so much ill health from tiredness and stress and neurological factors. Because of my decision to be a permanent sub contractor and stay off payroll, the absence from the office has meant I have not had the kind of opportunities for progression to managerial status that other people in my field have had - I get in, I do my thing, I get out. The people in my field who are my age and started the same time as me are now much much higher up than me.

When I met my DH and got married, our combined wages eased up life even further for me. The seizures reduced in correlation with my stress/tiredness levels and I am now currently 6 months pregnant with my first child. It's an absolute miracle as I was told it would be very hard for me to conceive considering the illness. I have finally got to a place where I am not just surviving, but living properly. Finally! At age 30.

The only problem now is that everywhere I look, people are telling me that this is the point I will go into gradual decline.

eg 1: My job is very IT-based. There are 16 year olds now who are growing up and entering the job market who know faster, more effective ways of doing what I do in my job. While I try to keep up with how technology is changing (with the initial issue of not working in an office I am not abreast of new developments as quickly as everyone else) and now that I will need to stop working soon and look after my baby, I have been told that if I take a year off I am going to be completely skilled out of this area by the time I would decide to return. I already had a Skype call today which took on a "winding up of business" tone after I had told the client I was pregnant last week.

eg 2: My obstetrician is constantly tut tutting about how I have left it so "late" to have a baby, and what a risk I pose to myself by being this "old" and pregnant with the illness I have. Every pregnancy symptom I have he tells me that it is the combination of my "age" and illness that is causing it. I have challenged him about this several times and he just reiterates to me each time that the majority of women he sees for pregnancy with my condition are between the ages of 19-25. If I even utter the plural "children" or the prospect of having "another" he won't even acknowledge the thought.

eg 3: the Tom Junod article in Esquire. If you haven't read it, the link is here: www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/42-year-old-women
Obviously he got a huge tidal wave of criticism about it, so I see that he is not universally agreed with, but why is he allowed to write this tosh?, And worse still, I DO know of men who have these same beliefs about women and aging. It's not just Junod! It depresses me. It is a society prejudice.

I hate that I have fought for three decades to achieve a life where I can finally have moments of feeling like everything is going to be okay, then the moment I relax, I am given the message that I am 1. unemployable after 30 2. infertile after 30 and 3. any beauty I have contains "its force in the fact of its fading."

There are so many things I haven't done. Illness and a need to survive robbed my twenties. I now want twenty years ahead of me of great sex, great success, great love, feeling desired, new skills, hidden talents, further education. I want to look and feel the best I've ever looked and felt.

Is it U to think that everywhere I look, even at age 30, society is telling me my healthiest years have passed, to accept my place in the natural order of things and to gracefully go into decline?

OP posts:
LemonSquares · 12/07/2014 11:11

My obstetrician is constantly tut tutting about how I have left it so "late" to have a baby,

30 isn't old to have a baby - I had my first 28 which is fairly normal/slightly early for career person and it was only a few years ahead - and next two after 30.

Plus the whole stats often cited for fertility declining past 35 are based on 18 century French women - using birth records so it doesn’t take account that perhaps health was poor then and then a great many women may have been trying not to get pg.

In fact most women I know who waited till late 30 early 40 before DC were in better places in their careers to have DC.

BranchingOut · 12/07/2014 11:35

I had a mini crisis of ageing when I was 29 and 30, but funnily enough when I hit 31 it was like being 21 again - I was a 'young thirty something'.

You have done amazingly well with your career and your illness - a lot of people would not have managed that.

My mid to late twenties were massively overshadowed by terminal illness and bereavement - I felt as if I was living under a huge cloud at times. Not to mention a bit of a crisis afterwards...So I 'lost' quite a few years that way..and again when I found it difficult to return to the workplace after maternity leave, this time nicely combined with near-marital breakdown...

But then I found a new job, new interests and at times I have almost had to pinch myself when I have been at high profile events in fascinating places, talking to VIPs in my field about my work...I feel as if the potential for 're-birth' is huge in all of us.

Oh yes, and I think we don't always age progressively. I have sometimes appeared to be younger/more attractive than I was the month or year before...

drivenbyyou · 12/07/2014 12:43

I agree with Funky - ditch the tv and magazines.

Get a new doc - this one sounds like a complete twat.

And as a PP said, the good fundamentals (at work) won't change. It doesn't take as long to update as you might think - if you even need to.

Life is short - as long as you're not hurting anyone, enjoy it while it lasts. Forget other people - they're not living your life, you are.

CheerfulYank · 12/07/2014 16:00

You know it Glitter! Caryl forever...I'll go down with that ship. :o

Floisme · 12/07/2014 16:58

You are being very unreasonable for only wanting 20 more good years. I am hoping for at least another 20 and I am 57!

It's true that technology is changing fast and it can be daunting working with young people to whom it all seems second nature. But then in other ways they can be absolutely clueless! A good employer knows that you need a mixture of skills and, if yours isn't one of them, you have plenty of time to start again

I'm suprised you've encountered ageism quite so soon but yes there are some knobheads around. But you clearly have the resiliance and resourcefulness to make mincemeat of them. Congratulations on making a sucess of your life and on your pregnancy. And good luck.

mupperoon · 12/07/2014 17:06

Wow, not only am I 42 therefore still acceptably desirable according to Esquire (what a patronising article that was), but I'm about to have my first child too. And I work in IT. The only bit that makes me feel old is the IT job, but that's mainly because it's been like Groundhog Day for 20 years.

Hedgebets, you had bad luck with your obstetrician - everyone I have dealt in the NHS from consultants to midwives has said "if you were too old to conceive, you wouldn't have conceived."

For what it's worth, my best years so far have been between 28 and right now. I am 12 years older than you and I definitely think I've got plenty of great years ahead, probably better than I've already had, and I have had a mostly fantastic life. For you it sounds like things are getting better and better, so perhaps you are being overly pessimistic (rather than unreasonable)?

ohmygodimginger · 12/07/2014 17:30

I read the article.

He has totally misunderstood The Graduate - Benjamin didn't loathe himself for sleeping with Mrs Robinson because she was 42. He loathed himself for sleeping with her because she was a)married, b) a friend of his parents, and c) a total bitch hag.

The comments are better than the article!

Delphiniumsblue · 12/07/2014 18:46

I am 63 and hoping for 20 more good years!

Thenapoleonofcrime · 12/07/2014 18:56

Lots of people do have a crisis at 30 or 40 or one of the big '0' - but my take on it is this- you really really are only going to be here once. Wouldn't it be a shame not to have the best time because you felt it was all over by 30 (especially as you may live to 100)?

I am in my mid-forties, I know I'm not as 'pretty' as I was when I was 20, but I'm very confident, like my career, and just am not defined by my looks (probably just as well). My mum is late sixties, still blonde, still enjoying her life, with a few more wrinkles than before- what are we all supposed to do, pack up and go home?!

The young women I meet (at college) are lovely, very pretty a lot of them, but totally hemmed in by their looks and school success and I wouldn't want to be them for one second.

ocelot41 · 13/07/2014 11:22

Ooh, I loved my 30s. Old enough not to be so insecure, have a solid sense of myself and move beyond some of the more hurtful things about my own upbringing. I won awards, changed career, met and married a fabulous man, had our wonderful DS and got a PhD. Fuck em all - have a brilliant time.

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