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To expect DDs school to refund the £500 I've paid towards a trip to NY now I've removed her from the school due to badly managed bullying ?

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felttippens · 09/07/2014 17:04

Sorry this is so long , trying to give full story

DD (14) has dealt with low level bullying throughout her time at School. She has employed many strategies in order to deal with numerous personal attacks and slights from her peers. As a result she has extremely low self esteem and has been to see a counsellor regularly at School. This has been a very positive experience for her and has helped her through some very difficult times.

In April the low level bullying developed into Her being harassed and attacked by a large group of girls and boys.
The following days she went to school and tried to cope until the day I received a call from Her crying saying she had been verbally attacked and needed to come home. She is a vulnerable young girl ( as her Doctor and Counsellor would attest to )I had no option but to bring her home. When I arrived at the school I was extremely concerned that no member of staff was responsible for Her leaving the building. There was no one with her that I could discuss the situation with.Worryingly I received no contact from the school and so next day I contacted Head to update him. DD was extremely upset and very low, we spent the following days talking through her experiences and discussing ways forward.
Yet more days later having had no contact from school, I called head to request that DD might be allowed to come to school to see her Counsellor. To my horror He said no, he didnt seem aware of who the counsellor was and even what DDs sur-name was? This was very worrying and I began to think the school were not at all interested in helping Her through this.The one time when this vulnerable young girl needed professional support it was denied. The head suggested an all or nothing approach ie dd would need to attend school fully if she wishes to see her counsellor. I found this extremely unsupportive and a rather brutal way of handling a very delicate situation. DD self harms and I cannot tell you how awful it was hear the her schools idea of support was , in The heads words " come back though it won't be all glitter and fairy tales".
I was contacted by the Welfare Officer. I said I was very worried that Dd was missing so much school. At no point did anyone suggest that school work could be sent home or a plan to do gradual reintegration I have since found out this should have been an option). The Officer visited at home I advised her how worried I was about the situation and was considering a move in schools - she seemed to support this idea.

we made the difficult decision to take dd out of school and put her in another High School. This was extremely difficult, but time was pressing on and with no word at all from the school I felt it imperative to get dd back to learning. Her attendance previously was exemplary and she has always achieved so much in her studies, I felt unable to wait for the school to contact me ( unbelievably I had heard nothing). She started new school eagerly ready for new start. She has settled in wonderfully into her new school has made a great circle of friends.

I had paid £500 towards a trip to New York in October - the school have refused to refund ANY of this money on the basis I was too quick to remove her from school- I cannot afford to lose this kind of money and it feels so unfair that dd is being effectively punished for being bullied out of school.

Who can I complain to? Any thoughts on if I stand a chance ?

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felttippens · 09/07/2014 22:42

Thank you SO much, so grateful x

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AnyFucker · 09/07/2014 22:46

How kind of you, Down, that letter is perfect

Op, use that and all the best of luck with your dd Thanks

Downamongtherednecks · 09/07/2014 22:47

treadingwater good luck. I had to move my daughter because of bullying, and the school were fucking useless, defensive and didn't give a damn about her. I am so glad your DD is in a new school and things are looking up for her. Hope things improve for you, too.

Goldmandra · 09/07/2014 22:56

A few enhancements to Down's excellent letter.

Dear XX Head. I am writing to formally request the return of the 500 pounds I paid for my daughter XXX to attend the school trip to NY.
As you know, I was forced to remove her from your school after the incident on XX date when yyy happened and you failed in your duty of care towards her.
Despite numerous attempts by me to contact you to resolve the matter at the time, my daughter was left without education and in a fragile mental state. After conferring with the Welfare Officer and in order to safeguard her well being, I was left with no choice but to move her to a new school, where she is thriving.
Since you effectively forced me to move my daughter, and failed to fulfill your statutory requirements in dealing with bullying, I am at a loss to understand how you can further punish her, and me, by refusing to return the money I have paid so that she can attend a much-needed trip at her new school.
I understand that her place on the trip has already been taken, so there is no financial loss for the school involved.
Please be assured that I want to settle this matter amicably, but am prepared to take this further if necessary.
yours sincerely, TreadingWater

Downamongtherednecks · 09/07/2014 23:02

..and if you don't give the money back, my mates on MN will come round and thump you... Wink

PartyGateCrasher · 09/07/2014 23:17

Down Grin

Peekingduck · 09/07/2014 23:59

Op - you do need the complaints procedure, even if you write a letter now. The only way to "take it further" is to follow that procedure and escalate it to the Chair of Governors if the HT doesn't sort it to your satisfaction. If the GB do not resolve the issue, then the final step is to escalate on to the DfE. This will all be in the procedure.
Good luck, I have a feeling you will get a refund.
Oh, and don't bother cc the governors. If you need to escalate it you actually don't want just any old governor to read it, because that would "taint" them and they wouldn't be able to serve on a panel to deal with it if needed. Just follow the procedure. I really know about this, it is the best and right way to go about this.

Pumpkinpositive · 10/07/2014 00:25

I cannot afford to lose this kind of money

But you were going to lose it (and more!) had your DD gone on the trip. You've saved yourself the rest of the balance.

Don't get me wrong, I hope you get it back. If the trip isn't until October, that surely gives the school plenty of time to fill the place, even if it means offering the space to a pupil from another year.

I would definitely press the case, you've got nothing to lose.

UncleT · 10/07/2014 01:45

Pumpkin that's some very odd reasoning. She wouldn't have lost it if the child went on the trip - the money was for the trip and would have been used as such had she gone. As it stands though, the money goes on.... nothing. There's a world of difference there when there's not much money to go around. There's also the matter of the other school trip at the new school.

Mandy2003 · 10/07/2014 03:20

One point re Down's letter para 2 - don't refer to wanting return of the deposit or you'll only get £75!! Say monies paid so far £500.

differentnameforthis · 10/07/2014 03:43

But you were going to lose it (and more!) had your DD gone on the trip.

She wouldn't have lost it had her dd gone on the trip, because her dd erm... would have been on the trip!!!

ZenGardener · 10/07/2014 04:37

Right! It's not the deposit the OP wants back, it's the money paid minus deposit. You might be better posting in legal for some help. Did you receive any paperwork when you paid the deposit? There must have been terms & conditions.

Pumpkinpositive · 10/07/2014 07:22

She wouldn't have lost it had her dd gone on the trip, because her dd erm... would have been on the trip!!!

She would have lost it in the sense that the money - plus more - would have been gone and no longer available to her, which she says she can't afford.

ZenGardener · 10/07/2014 08:18

The OP said that she wants to use the money to pay for her daughter to go on a trip with her new school. She cannot afford this trip without the money. If her daughter had stayed at the old school and gone on the trip to NY then there would have been no new trip to need the money for. It really isn't that complicated.

I think it would be really lovely for her daughter to go on a trip with her new school to get to know her new classmates better and settle in. I really hope you can get the money back.

Peekingduck · 10/07/2014 08:34

Please take notice of this post Op, I am not going to out myself by telling you what I do for a living, but I will say that I can give expert advice on school governance.
There is no need at this stage to panic and seek legal advice, make veiled threats to the Headteacher, or go to the press and have your picture in the paper looking sad.
Schools are legally obliged to have and follow a complaints procedure. In the vast majority of cases if a complainant follows that procedure it will be dealt with fairly and the problem resolved by the HT or governors. If the complainant still feels they have been unjustly treated at the end it is very easy to escalate to the DfE.
So, I would advise you to get the complaints procedure (you may not even have to ask for it, look on the school website). Follow it. Fill in the form and if you prefer attach a letter.

Bear in mind that you are entitled to complain even if your child is no longer at the school.
I think it is important here to focus on the fact that you know that the place has been filled. The reason why you removed her is also very important, but don't forget that they have the money to refund you. State clearly how much refund you want in order for your complaint to be satisfied.
If you want to help their future pupils you might also consider getting hold of their policy that covers bullying and taking out another complaint about how your daughter's horrible situation was dealt with. People might think this is a waste of time. However, if you again state clearly what changes you think need to be made to avoid a similar situation in future, or you can point out that they didn't follow their own policy, change can happen. Governors can and do bring about change in policy and procedures when they are made aware of problems in their schools.

felttippens · 27/09/2014 20:36

Just wanted to update to let you know I got the money back - I really appreciate the advice I was given on this thread Smile

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Shlurpbop · 27/09/2014 20:41

Hurray! Glad you got it back and hope your daughter is doing well in her new school x

BeyondRepair · 27/09/2014 21:21

Just wanted to update to let you know I got the money back - I really appreciate the advice I was given on this thread

Wozers thats utterly brilliant news!!!

Brilliant about your DD too....brilliant. Flowers

what an arse hole HT I do hope you follow pekings advice if not stresful for you and complain

Groovee · 27/09/2014 21:32

That's great news x

Darkesteyes · 27/09/2014 21:36

Fab news.

saoirse31 · 27/09/2014 21:42

Great news op!!! tho why are schools organising such expensive trips. .. la? new York? seems completely mad to me. But I'm delighted u git ur money

bafck

Leeds2 · 27/09/2014 21:47

Great news. Hope DD is happy in her new school.

ChasedByBees · 27/09/2014 22:00

Great! I hope it was returned in time for the LA and that your DD is settling in better.

maddening · 27/09/2014 22:03

How did you sort it out? So glad you sorted it!

Jill2015 · 27/09/2014 22:03

Well done, and I hope that your daughter is doing well.

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