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AIBU?

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Re elderly FIL & driving PFB

19 replies

Quokka1 · 07/07/2014 08:29

I need a bit of MN perspective please!

PFB is almost 8 months old and will be starting nursery when I return to work shortly. Lovely FIL, who is in his 80s can be quite unsteady on his legs but is still driving, has suggested that I put him on the list at nursery of people allowed to collect DD in case of an emergency. He has also suggested a couple of times in a jokey way (rather than asking outright) that he'd like to take her in the car to visit some of his relatives in a local town a good hour's drive away. At that time I nicely told him no as it was too soon for her to be that far away from me. My husband has commented in the past about how he is concerned about FIL's driving. I don't think I'd say he's a danger but his reaction times are naturally going to be slower than a younger person's and sometimes he doesn't notice things around him (which thinking about it, could potentially make him a danger). DH has said in the past that he wouldn't be letting DD go out in the car with FIL but then when it came up in conversation again last night, he seems to have changed his tune and has no problem with it, even to the point of questioning why I'd have a problem with it.

My other issue is that, other than the odd half an hour on the sofa here & there, FIL hasn't spent any real time with DD. At 8 months she knows who he is, I think, there is certainly a smile of recognition when he calls in but he had never changed her nappy, knows nothing about her feeding or sleeping routines & the last time he really dealt with a baby was when my husband was born 30 + years ago (& to be fair, wasn't a hands on dad, MIL did everything & she is no longer with us). I just don't feel comfortable with him looking after her on his own or driving with her in the car. He has suffered some ill health in recent years, if he were to collapse or have a car accident whilst DD is in his care, I don't know what I'd do. I know he would never intentionally do anything to hurt her but in general he just doesn't seem to be able to accept that he's getting on now & does things that a man in his 40s would find strenuous, never mind a man in his 80s (often resulting in him suffering during the days following!)

DH thinks I'm being hypocritical as I'd be quite happy for my dad to drive with my daughter & shortly will be letting my parents care for her while I go back to work for a few KIT days. The difference is a) they're my parents so I'm sorry but naturally I'm going to trust them 100%, have no reason not to. b) Dad is 20 + years younger than FIL, drives for a living & is a super safe driver & c) they have more recent experience of looking after young children & will do as I wish with regards to caring for DD (FIL has already made comments about how he will look after my daughter how he sees fit - we disagree in a good naturedly way on various points of parenting and I suppose I just don't trust him to do as I ask).

Sorry for the mega long post.... I suppose what I'm asking is AIBU to put my foot down & say that FIL is not allowed to take DD out in the car by himself?

If I am to do this, how do I do it without really upsetting him? He's a lovely old boy who I think the world of but DD is a much longed for, long waited for baby & I don't know what I'd do if something happened to her. (I probably sound a bit controlling & precious, I'm not in real life - honest!)

Thanks!

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thegreylady · 07/07/2014 08:36

YANBU and I would just let it slip from his mind while you and your dh agree that it isn't going to happen. You could get him to change a really smelly nappy under your supervision. For a chap of his age that might well be enough to put him off . Do not put him on the emergency list at nursery but don't tell him you haven't.

2LittleFishes · 07/07/2014 08:41

If there is genuine concern regarding his driving I don't think your being precious at all. I wouldn't let my children go anywhere I wasn't confident was safe, just to save upsetting someone. Maybe suggest he take her the park or sometime close by so he can still spend some time with her as he seems keen too but close enough so as not to need the car!!

Runesigil · 07/07/2014 09:21

Involve your FIL as a helper as much as you can, but don't let him have sole charge of your dd.

Quokka1 · 07/07/2014 09:29

Thank you! I'm glad it's not just me that feels this way. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just being too over protective!

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BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 07/07/2014 09:50

'FIL has already made comments about how he will look after my daughter how he sees fit'

Then you cheerily remind your DH that your reply to anyone who states that - your own parents included - is always going to be 'Well then I'll choose not to leave my daughter in your care, as I see fit!'

:)

oldgrandmama · 07/07/2014 10:11

God, NO, don't let him take your child in his car. A family member had the same dilemma - 80 plus FIL who is not the best driver ever. He is absolutely NOT allowed to drive the grandchildren anywhere. I hope OP's partner sees her point of view - his child's welfare is more important that his father's feelings.

Nanny0gg · 07/07/2014 10:14

No!

Don't let him! You'll never rest and you'll never forgive yourself if something happens - even if it's not really his fault.

Nanny0gg · 07/07/2014 10:16

And my DH is a very fit 70 who loves spending time with his DGC. He can even change a nappy!

But he (and me for that matter and I'm not 60 yet!) are worn out with the little terrors darlings.

So I'd just visit as often as is practical if I were you

Infinity8 · 07/07/2014 10:25

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overthebliddyhill · 07/07/2014 10:37

He's in his 80s and unsteady on his legs! How on earth can he manage a wriggly baby. And what about when the baby becomes a toddler? That's quite apart from his driving ability.

OddFodd · 07/07/2014 10:40

My dad is in his 80s and my DS is 7. I wouldn't leave him with sole care of him even now for more than a few hours! He'd forget to feed him or something :o

UniS · 07/07/2014 11:13

He will never see the nursery emergency list so just miss him off it. Don't give him a car seat, and make sure you arrange things so he doesn't get put in a position where he has to drive her.

Shallishanti · 07/07/2014 11:18

yadnbu, BUT, in your discussion I would limit yourself to points b and c and never mention a-it's not at all relevant and suggests you have reason to distrust FIL which you don't. Maybe let him have sole care for an hour or so while you are busy with something near at hand. He will probably decide it's too much like hard work and problem solved. Then, just have plenty of visits/joint outings to park etc.

Oldraver · 07/07/2014 12:14

The car thing would be a no no for me, but the 'as he see's fit' would mean he would never be in sole charge. What he's saying is 'I will not respect any of your wishes'

Has he ever held her ?

thornyhousewife · 07/07/2014 12:43

UANBU.

I would be tempted to say that DD is very noisy and hates car rides, but as she gets older and more mobile he would be a most welcome playmate any time.

Be firm and don't bring it up again unless you have to.

FryOneFatManic · 07/07/2014 12:47

Oldraver, exactly my thoughts.

OP, YANBU.

TheCraicDealer · 07/07/2014 12:50

How long will DD be at nursery? Because if you put him on the emergency contact list now, there’s a good chance his driving will deteriorate further in the next three, four years before she starts school. Will you necessarily remember to take him off as and when you feel he’s no-longer ok to drive anyone but himself? YANBU.

I do appreciate where your DH is coming from comparing your Dad to his and saying you’re being hypocritical. The difference between the two is marked and he probably does see this, logically. With that in mind, I would try to sweeten the deal by doing something else with DD’s paternal grandfather on a regular basis- a weekly dinner maybe, or a trip out once a fortnight. It’s important to have that regular contact, and ‘your side’ seem to be getting it in spades- who wants DD growing up feeling like a stranger to her Dad’s Dad?

McFlickle · 07/07/2014 13:10

YANBU an old boy drove out in front of me in a round about the other day (ie did not give way) them stopped in middle of roundabout but I was able to stop in time luckily. He knew he had done wrong and waved in apology and looked ashamed. As he went in front of me I saw a pink car seat in the back of the car and my heart sank. It was empty thankfully, but I did have my own PFB DD in the back of my car! I was furious. It's not worth the risk. As a PP has said her welfare is more important than his feelings.

frankleybeeches · 07/07/2014 14:01

In my experience- as a Gran who minds DGS regularly while Mum is at work-it is much much easier if there are two Grandparents doing the childminding. I will drive to parks etc where I am familiar with the parking and toilet situation but I am pleased to have Grandad sitting next to DGS to see that he is not messing with door handles (although locked), pick up a dropped Teddy and look after the water bottle. I am not distracted from driving by chatter etc.
Grandad is not as fit as me and no way would I be happy for him to be driving the child around on his own. Your FIL does not realise what is involved, children are heavy and wriggly! I would not let it happen--although I appreciate that your child is younger.

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