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to be upset/annoyed by this mum's reaction?

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strawberryyDaiquiri · 05/07/2014 12:08

Hi everyone

I could potentially make this a very long post so will try to be as brief as possible!

My DS is in year 2 and has been bullied by one boy in particular since reception. The bullying extended outside of school to Cubs and football club so have moved DS to groups further away.

He is starting at a new school in September. This boy is known to be horrible to a lot of children but my DS is definitely his main target. I suppose you could describe by DS as "sensitive." He's shy, very conscientious, he's not typically "boyish" and has been teased since reception for not liking football or playing "boys" games etc. He reminds me a lot of my brother when he was very young. My parents used to worry that he would struggle making friends etc but he turned out absolutely fine and if anything had a better social life than I did by his teens and I was always the louder child!
DH worries about him a bit but I try not to for now. He does have a very mature head on his shoulders and I sometimes worry that he is already too much of a worrier at a young age but I will see how he gets on at his new school and not panic unduly.

So anyway this boy- let's call him Sam- has teased DS from the first day of school. He is a difficult pupil for his teachers and they have called his mum in on numerous occasions to discuss his behaviour and how he treats other children. As I say he's pretty awful to a lot of the children but particularly mean to DS. One thing he does repeatedly is ask him if he's adopted because he's "such a freak" and my DD (in Reception) is "normal." "Why aren't you normal like your sister?" 2 weeks ago he found my DD in the playground and told her he was going to get my DS and flush his head down the toilet then lock him in. He also pesters DD asking if DS is adopted, tells DD that he's gay because he "has his ear pierced"( he has a small freckle just wear a pierced ear hole would be and it's something he's been teased about for ages by "Sam".) He once found a pink mini-mouse hair clip on the floor and put it in my DS hair without him noticing then went round shouting "HAHA DS is wearing a hairclip he's so gay." Luckily the classroom assistant witnessed this but he's done a similar things on a few occasions where he has deliberately tried to make a mockery of him. (In year 1 he pulled down his trousers and pants then told the teacher on duty that DS was "showing people his willy")...the list goes on really but he is really an unpleasant child and the teachers have done all they can. They get complaints from parents on a weekly basis but his mother seems to refuse to acknowledge his behaviour. It's known that she had tried for years to have a baby but was told her chances were second to none so she had given up hope when she fell pregnant at 37- lovely story..but now the golden child can do no wrong.

Anyway yesterday was DS' birthday. We went to Tesco the night before and bought those little bags of Haribo for each child. There are 24 in his class including him, so I bought 25 so I could give one to DD. He hands out the packets but is 2 short. I later found out that DD had nabbed a couple of packets the night before. Unfortunately, the last 2 children that DS got to were Sam and his friend. The teacher told me that DS looked utterly terrified when he realised he had run out and that Sam wouldn't get any. He apologised to Sam and friend and said that he must have left the 2 packets at home. His teacher said that it was obviously a mistake and that DS would not deliberately leave anyone out and said perhaps he would find the 2 extra packets over the weekend and bring them in on Monday for Sam and friend.

When the teacher's back was turned Sam walked past DS, kicked the back of his chair then hit him around the head and hissed at him that he's "such a weirdo."

5.30pm yesterday evening and I get a phone call from an extremely angry mother. Sam's mum was livid that his DS hadn't received a bag of sweets. I assured her that it was in no way deliberate and explained how my DD had taken the packets the night before (which she has been told off for!) I said it was unfortunate that Sam's table was the last that DS got to but that I would give him 2 more packets to take in on Monday. She continued to shout down the phone and said that it was nasty and unfair to "treat a child like that" and "of course he's going to be upset if everyone else is given sweets expect him- accusing me of deliberately telling DS to not give any to her DS. I was so shocked that I didn't really know what to say. Part of me wanted to give her a right earful back but I just want DS to get to the end of term as smoothly as possible. DH thinks I should have it out with her once term has ended and let her know exactly what I think of her and her precious DS but I'm not sure if that's a bit childish.

I appreciate it was unfortunate and I should have been sensible and counted the sweets that morning just to make sure. But after all her DS has done to my DS over the years...and she has the audacity to be livid because DS, through no fault of his own, was unable to give him any sweets...I was just so upset for DS and angry at how this woman had spoken to me. What would you do? I just can't decide how to react to this.

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BeCool · 05/07/2014 12:34

Can't always move to another class. Dds school is one class per year. And he'd then find someone else to pick on.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 05/07/2014 12:34

Have you spoken to the school about all this OP? I had to have a meeting recently when someone started to make my DD life a living misery. No punishment worked the child just kept repeating their bad / bullying behaviour to Dd and other classmates. They implemented a zero policy approach and the kid got punished everytime. They all a drink of juice and a biscuit if they've behaved all week on a Friday afternoon. This child was warned that if they did get a punishment they wouldn't be getting one with the rest of the class. It worked. I think a bit more zero tolerance re Sam would be a good idea for your Ds's school to keep in mind too.

strawberryyDaiquiri · 05/07/2014 12:35

alemci it has gotten awful and I feel so guilty for not taking him out sooner. I'm about 99% positive they won't end up at the same secondary. The school DS is moving to starts from Form 1 and goes up to 6th form so he will be getting there a year later than everyone else. But I am positive DS will be the only child from his school going there.

We all got given contact sheets at the start of the school year so that's how she got my number. She has a screw loose...definite screw loose.

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CeliaFate · 05/07/2014 12:37

I'd have been tempted to let rip at Sam's mum I think. I wouldn't send in any sweets and if Sam asks why, I'd let the teacher know that it was because you'd received an earful of abuse off his mother. Sod them and sod being nice - if you stick up for your ds he'll see that Sam's behaviour is unacceptable and we don't have to be nice to people who are treating us like crap.
In fact, I'd have a party to say goodbye to ds's close friends (not the whole class) and Sam most certainly would not be invited.

strawberryyDaiquiri · 05/07/2014 12:37

Got to run to pick DD up from gymnastics class! Thanks for all the support so far and will respond later on. Thanks

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AwaywiththePixies27 · 05/07/2014 12:39

Tell your school that you are reporting the matter to Ofsted too. They're very hot on bullying / behaviour issues being effectively dealt with.

Marylou62 · 05/07/2014 12:45

We had a very similar situation re bullying. I would be a better person and a lady and give the sweets. I would give him them myself to avoid DS doing it, hand them over with not a word. Other boy...big apologies. I do have a phobia about confrontation tho....I can fast forward 10 years and without gloating as it is sad, that my DSs bully is a mess and basically no friends. Just stay calm...be a lady and wait the two weeks. I would absolutely say tho that if there is any further bullying from this child, my DS would be taken out that day....You sound like a very good mum....and that your DS will be alright...just as mine is.

LemonSquares · 05/07/2014 12:52

I'd tell the school about the mother's OTT phone call - let them know there may be yet more trouble.

I personally wouldn't be taking the two packets of sweets in - I seriously doubt it would solve anything.

The contact list is odd - my DC school don't do anything like that. I'd ask however issued it to contact everyone and remind them to use it responsibly and it should not be used to other parents.

LemonSquares · 05/07/2014 12:53

Missied word there - harass other parents

AwaywiththePixies27 · 05/07/2014 12:54

MaryLou I was having the conversation with a friend the other day. It's not confrontational though. It's assertiveness. Obviously an asset Sams Mum is lacking.

MissDuke · 05/07/2014 12:56

This is dreadful, your poor poor ds :-( And poor you aswell, you both sound lovely. Def don't send in sweets, and do speak to the school - if they cannot guarantee that Sam will be kept well away from your ds then I would just keep him off school for the last two weeks, they have failed your son very badly. Thank goodness you have a new school for him to go to.

hippoinamudhole · 05/07/2014 12:56

Contact list is breaking data protection laws (unless parents have agreed).
Cubs start at 8 years old, year 2 is 7 years at the oldest.
Why is he going to football club if he doesn't like football

Nanny0gg · 05/07/2014 14:05
  1. The contact list thing is weird. Were you all asked for your permission?
  2. I personally don't think the school has done enough to protect your DS
  3. Make sure a TA or the teacher is there when Sam is given his sweets or that will turn nasty too.
picnicbasketcase · 05/07/2014 14:13

There's no freaking way I'd be taking in sweets for a child who had bullied my child for ages and then got his parent to ring up and shout at me for non sweets delivery, I can tell you that. I'd give the other sweetless child's mum their sweets in the playground privately.
If she comes up to you and still tries to give you shit about the sweets, I would scorch the earth telling her exactly why you had changed your mind about sending in the sweets. It was an accidental oversight, and now it's a choice - the sweets are not deserved and she needs to accept her child is far from perfect.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/07/2014 14:14

Op,I would have given her a bolloking and then some. She is mainly the reason I suspect that Sam is not a nice child. Please op don't hold back and don't be walked over by this woman! She deserves to what the truth.

strawberryyDaiquiri · 05/07/2014 14:20

Nanny0gg yes we were asked for permission and not everyone's contact details are on there, just those who agreed to it. The school certainly hasn't done enough. They claim to have a "zero tolerance" policy but that doesn't seem to have been enforced. Still not sure what to do about the sweets. I may give them to the teacher to give to Sam and friend so DS doesn't need to interact with him.
hippo I did actually spot my error after I posted this but didn't feel it necessary to correct. Very recently I was talking to a friend who was saying how her son didn't get into Cubs so she was recommending I put his name on the waiting list up to a year in advance. I spoke to DH about it earlier this week and emailed the Cubs leader. I just had Cubs on the brain so made a typo... and regarding the football: DS went to 2 classes which he was bullied out of. We weren't sure if he hated the sport or just didn't like the club he was at so we tried him at a new club but it came apparent very quickly that he didn't enjoy it so we took him out a month later. He no longer plays football. Regarding the contact list, yes the parents did agree and not everyone's details are on the list. Tbh I am not sure what your comment is suggesting..that I am making stuff up?

Even though DS is leaving this term I think I will speak to the teachers again, just because he will probably shift his attention onto someone else and make them his target. He really does need to be dealt with. I think over the weekend I will get in touch with some other mums whose kids I know are at the receiving end of a lot of this torment as well. Thanks for all the advice and support.

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strawberryyDaiquiri · 05/07/2014 14:23

I must sound so weak and pathetic! I'm really not lol I can give as good as I get! I'm just desperately trying to make the last 2 weeks as easy as possible for DS. But that is a good idea about giving the other child's mum the sweets. Perhaps I will do that, and if I get another aggressive phone call on Monday evening I will tell her exactly why her little darling has remained sweetless.

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Aeroflotgirl · 05/07/2014 14:35

Yes please do, does not mean you have to put up with her rubbish and ishoos.

myfriendflickadee · 05/07/2014 14:40

How horrible. Such a shame that you have to move your DS because the school can't or won't deal with the bullying.

Whatever happened to two wrongs don't make a right though?

It would be wrong to leave out one child from a birthday treat. You didn't do it deliberately in the first place, so why do it now? It's up to the school to punish Sam's bullying, not you. And he certainly shouldn't be punished for his mum's terrible behaviour.

I'd report his mother to the school though. Perhaps they could send a letter to parents telling them that abuse of other parents and misuse of the contact sheet will not be tolerated. It might encourage other parents to come forward if they have similar problems.

Show your son that it's right to stand up to bullies but also it's good to be the bigger man (or mum).

LittleMisslikestobebythesea · 05/07/2014 14:43

We used to have a child like this in our school, he was a horrible bully and one day smashed the classroom up and terrified the other kids, my DS1 was terrified of going to school.

The old head teacher was rubbish and he got away with it. The new head teacher came in and followed procedure and suspended him when things escalated by basically getting his parents to pick him up every time there was an issue.

He eventually got moved to another school, so there are things school can do, they just take time.

I'm sorry your son has to move schools because of this bully :(

I really hope the school do something as otherwise this will escalate.

Petrasmumma · 05/07/2014 15:16

So - Sam is bullying your son, basically unchecked and his mother harassed you by telephone.

I'd have a quiet word with the Headteacher and let them know you are also contacting the Police. (and do so)
I'd also ask the HT to contact SS re the situation. There may be something going on at home that makes Sam exhibit such aggressive abusive behaviour or the mother may herself need support.

diddl · 05/07/2014 15:19

It's easy to see where Sam gets it from!

She had no reason to phone at all.

But if Sam told her a load of crap & she wanted to check, then there was no need to be abusive.

If your husband thinks that "having it out with her" is the way to go-tell him he's welcome to.

I doubt she'd believe a word anyway!

diddl · 05/07/2014 15:21

Oh no, I think that you have to give Sam the sweets.

He was told it was a mistake that will be rectified.

kawliga · 05/07/2014 16:15

I agree with diddl send in the sweets for the two boys. Don't fight this pathetic family over a bag of sweets. You are moving on to a new school. It's not your duty to educate this mother over her pathetic parenting.

picnicbasketcase · 05/07/2014 16:20

I would agree with the two previous posters if it hadn't been for the nasty phonecall.

It was explained to Sam and again to the mother that it was a genuine mistake, and their reaction was to shout and be aggressive and accuse the OP and her child of deliberately excluding Sam. Giving the sweets after that just gives the boy the impression that verbal abuse will get you whatever you want, which is being backed up by his equally bullying mother. She's setting an already unpleasant child a terrible example.

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