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AIBU to wonder if this incident from many years ago was in fact a sexual assault or 'just' typical teenage boy behaviour?

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emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 19:39

Following on from a very interesting post over in Chat...

This afternoon while reading that thread I very suddenly remembered an unpleasant incident that happened when I was 18. I got very drunk at a party and my friend's boyfriend (who was also a friend of mine) led me upstairs to the bathroom, pushed my head down and made me give him a blowjob. I was very sheltered, had never had a proper boyfriend, and so I didn't have the faintest clue what this actually was IYSWIM. All I knew was that I had to do it because he seemed to be expecting it, that he'd taken me there for that exact purpose and that I wasn't going to be leaving that bathroom until I'd done what he wanted.

I think I remember being mostly concerned, because he was boasting about it to another friend of his later that night iirc, that his girlfriend was going to find out (she was away at the time).

I don't think I ever thought of it as 'assault'. I felt grubby and yucky and I loathed what I can remember of it, but I just thought it was my own stupid fault as I'd been drinking and because I went willingly to the bathroom (well, willingly as in I didn't refuse to go, I have a dim memory of him just leading me up the stairs and me being too drunk to do anything else) and, I suppose, because I didn't actually say No at any point. Again, it just didn't occur to me that No was any kind of an option, even if I'd been sober enough to voice it.

Anyway, I have a daughter of my own now (a baby, mercifully) and reading the stories over on the other thread, most of which are way way way more distressing than anything I've experienced, plus of course now remembering this strange incident, I'm just wondering if this sort of horrible thing lies ahead for her, inevitably, when she starts hanging around with boys many (hopefully many, many many!!!) years down the line.

Also it occurred to me that if I ever heard someone had done to my daughter in later years what this 'boy' (young man) did to me, I'd want to kill him. And I'd probably want to tell the police... but would that be wrong? And I still find it very, very very hard to accept that what he did was a sexual assault of any kind.

So in your views - was it actually an assault, or 'just' a mucky teenage boy pushing his luck? How normal is this sort of thing?

Have felt really yucky all day the more I've thought about it and wish I'd had a gentler initiation into the adult world... have never particularly enjoyed sex with my lovely, gently DH and I suppose I'm now wondering if this is a small part of the reason why?

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EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:14

Gah!!

EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:14

Sorry bl

EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:14

Pho

emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 20:14

Thanks EElisaveta.
My DD will be getting NO mixed messages from me if I can possibly help it. That will make this a positive.
Just feel a bit sad, I think, for the 18 yo me. I do know that things a million times worse happen to girls/women/children :( every single day. So no intention of wallowing.
Just can't shake it off today after thinking about it again.

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EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:15

So

EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:19

Aargh my phone! Agree with everything OxfordBags said too. No one reading your story would minimise it or think you silly. Certainly not blame you, you chose to get drunk which millions of people do daily, that doesn't give anyone a green light to rape you. And never mind worse things happen to other people - this shit thing happened to you, and your mind is processing it now. Be gentle on yourself, and get some support handling it.

EElisavetaofBelsornia · 03/07/2014 20:22

By the way it's not wallowing - it's looking after that shocked and hurt 18 year old inside you who didn't get the support she needed at the time.

eddielizzard · 03/07/2014 20:26

yes, assault. have you thought about saying something to him? so sorry you went through that.

i've been in situations many times, and much much older than you were where i've been uncomfortable but still felt unable to say something and risk disapproval or disappointment. and in situations that weren't assault! i still couldn't stand up for myself. only now am i beginning to find my voice.

i think the best we can do for our dd's is instill a strong self confidence that if they don't like it, they don't do it. i worry for my dd's i really do. they are so trusting and eager to please, it breaks my heart.

emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 20:27

Thank you again EElisaveta.
You know the very very weird thing (sign of the times?) is that I think if he suddenly became a celebrity tomorrow, I'd 'know' that what he had done was wrong. Because there's so much in the news about all these historical acts committed by unpleasant celebrities that I can process the fact that those things are assault IYSWIM.
As he's a stockbroker these days :) and highly unlikely to become a celebrity (though I think he used ot have dreams of becoming a Tory politician) this isn't really going to happen!
Strange again, though, how we seem to be influenced by the prevailing messages around us, and not keep more of a constant sense of right and wrong.

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emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 20:32

eddielizzard, I know with cast-iron certainty that if I said anything to him, he'd just laugh incredulously. He'd tell me I wanted to do it just as much as he did. And then he'd probably tell me, as I think he did at the time, that it was the best blowjob he'd ever had.

I'm glad I don't see him very often!!

DH can't stand him and he doesn't even know about this.

Like you I worry for DD and agree that it's best to work on their confidence and teach them that saying no is a good thing!!!

My mum told me recently that she'd never said 'no' to me as a child because she didn't want me to learn the word so I could start saying it back to her... Confused We were never naughty as children because she just didn't permit it, she categorises this as fabulous parenting (we were so 'good') but actually we were afraid of her and didn't know how to be ourselves.

I LOVE it when DD (admittedly still only a tiny toddler) refuses to do things (well, I love it in the abstract, it does drive me insane when what she's refusing to do is have her face washed or her teeth brushed) because I always want her to have independence of spirit the way I did not.

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Bambambini · 03/07/2014 20:51

Emerald - I think that kind of parenting was also very common and seen as something to be admired. Along with the blind acquiescence to those in authority like, teachers, doctors, priests etc. It was always drummed into us to not to bring any trouble to the door for parents to deal with - whether it was our fault or not.

I've had too many gropes, assaults - more than I can count. Luckily nothing that I count as too serious or left too much of an effect.

emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 20:56

Bambambini thank you, I think you;re right.

I have never ever wanted ot cause any kind of trouble for anyone (until I met DH, for whom I cause trouble on a daily basis :) and have always been bad at saying No to the point where I just can't do it.

Oh, DD will be getting a looooooooong talk from me when the time comes. Don't want her ot lose faith in human nature tho :( It is a hard balance. Wish there weren't shit people in the world who do shit things and don't think about the consequences.

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mumminio · 03/07/2014 21:08

A close friend had something similar happen at Uni. She told me about it years later (the bloke is a mutual friend) and then she mentioned it to him. He doesn't know I know, but she did tell me that he thought she was up for it, and that he was mortified and apologised at length. They're both married now.

My mum taught us not to get in a situation where we are not in control of ourselves. So I never get drunk (although I drink, I switch to non-alcoholic after a couple), never take any drugs, and avoid hanging out alone with people I don't like or trust (can't avoid them in a group though, unfortunately!). I teach my own children the same thing.

Most of this stuff happens to people who know each other socially, either family or friends of friends, or boyfriends. You can't blame yourself in any way, but you can recognize that predators pick on people who are vulnerable...and try not to be that person.

*not saying that what happened to you is your fault in any way. It's not. At all. Just trying to be constructive.

emeraldgirl1 · 03/07/2014 21:14

Mumminio thank you, it is extremely helpful and I don't think you are saying it's my fault at all. (I am the one who thinks that!!) And you are right, I will try to teach my daughter that she must always try to remain aware and in control of her body.
Terrifies me to think she could end up in that situation one day. Honestly sickens me to my core.

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WashingFanatic · 03/07/2014 21:22

Elephants your post really confused me.

If your friend had consensual sex with another adult, only good memories of it etc - how is that rape just because he was good looking?

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