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AIBU to feel this way about my dad's g/f?

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Stengor · 29/06/2014 09:44

Mum died 15 yrs ago and dad was on his own until 3 yrs ago when he announced that he had a g/f. Sis and I were delighted until he said that she was 47, just 1 yr older than me (felt weird!). He was 80 at that time. They met out dog walking when she approached him saying ‘are you on your own? So am I’. It was just after her second divorce and her house was about to be repossessed. She tried to move into my dad’s 4 bed house, but we managed to persuade him it was a bad idea to live with someone he didn’t know that well. We were suspicious of her motives because, much as we love him, he’s hardly a stud muffin. He is almost deaf, has rotten teeth (he pulled most of his teeth out with pliers), isn’t exactly hygienic and stinks of dog. He has never been sociable and has no friends. She has been on benefits for years and dad pays for all her fags, booze (and she drinks a lot!) and clothes etc., as well as ferrying her around in his car. But we took that view that if she made him happy, who were we to interfere? We only met her once and left them to get on with it. They were always splitting up and getting back together again, most recently because he found out she was seeing her first ex and my dad on alternate weeks! But he still took her back. Got a call from her a month ago to say dad had bad food poisoning and she had called for an ambulance and would be staying in his house to look after his dog. Dad had an obstructed bowel and had life saving surgery. When he was coming around in ICU the next day, he made it clear to us he wasn’t very happy about her being in his house alone, but felt indebted to her, but we got her out very nicely (sure you’d love to go home...my kids would love it if I took dog to my house). I told his g/f that I could take her to hospital with me whenever she wanted as was passing her town on the way. We tried to be friendly for my dad’s sake (I even topped up her mobile phone for her...I’m as taken in by sob stories as my dad).. She came once and then made every excuse as to why she couldn’t visit (dentist, bad tummy, allergy to hair dye, blood poisoning). Two weeks later, and no more visits from her (and to cut a long story short), dad realised that she had stolen his door keys some time ago. He had suspected someone else and changed the locks, but things fell into place. He told me to tell her not to visit him again and told the staff independently at the hospital that he was frightened to go home because she has ‘funny turns and just flips’ and he is worried that she will harm him (push down stairs). I told her politely that dad doesn’t want her to visit and that he needs time to recover. But she has been leaving vile voice texts on my phone almost daily ever since and says that he will believe her and not me when he gets home. I didn’t respond to any until last night when I just snapped and sent her some back. the first one starting ‘Do not flatter yourself. You did not save my father’s life, a team of highly skilled and intelligent medical specialists saved his life. You just dialled 3 digits on phone’. He should be out this week with a care package in place. Nurses reported matter to matron in charge of safeguarding, but not much she can do. I don’t know what to do. I would like to keep her away from him, but I wouldn’t know how or even if I should be feeling this way. Am I being unreasonable? Should I let my dad sort this out for himself?

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Stengor · 29/06/2014 10:27

Fuck you when you say that you don't want to make suppositions, out of interest what were you thinking of? Why is he so unwilling to protect himself? It is so hard for me to understand. I appreciate that he might be lonely and that he may want to talk to someone other than his daughters, but he obviously doesn't trust her. It is all so odd.

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OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 10:28

I was wondering whether, next time she calls, you could fabricate a sob story about how you've been sorting out his affairs whilst he is in hospital and have discovered he has mortgaged the house up to the hilt and that all his savings have gone.

Stengor · 29/06/2014 10:29

Yes, I should raise this with the local SOVA team. Thank you all for suggesting that.

Telling her we have got Power of Attorney is also an excellent idea, but should I tell my dad that we are feeding her this line?

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 29/06/2014 10:30

Stengor, I'm probably way off the mark, but with being his gf, it may have been the physical side of their relationship that has tied her to him. Sorry.

Does he have interests and groups he's involved in?

Stengor · 29/06/2014 10:31

Owlcapone all of my mother's decent jewellery has gone, or at least we couldn't find any.

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 29/06/2014 10:31

Ideally you would actually have the POA, but I think it would be best if he were in on it. Although he may not agree.

It's all so worrying.

OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 10:32

Have you thought about discussing sheltered accommodation with him where there would be "safe" company? Not sure if this is possible with a dog.

I do think you need to get POA sorted. Whilst it may be difficult to branch it with your father, it needs to be done sooner rather than later and doesn't mean he loses control.

OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 10:33

When you say the jewelery has gone, would you have expected it to be there?

Birdsgottafly · 29/06/2014 10:33

"Why is he so unwilling to protect himself?"

Because he's scared, lonely and minimising what is happening whilst clinging on to the idea that she might be genuine.

"Telling her we have got Power of Attorney is also an excellent idea, but should I tell my dad that we are feeding her this line?"

You all need to be sticking to this, to fend her off.

It needs to be done very sensitively of course, but these people are leeches.

It is one of the major reasons why vulnerable people (including people with MG/LD's) need supported living, they are harassed and exploited, sometimes until death.

Stengor · 29/06/2014 10:35

Fuck you Dsis and I were thinking same thing re physical side. He has no interests, no social contacts at all. He isn't easy to talk to. You have to drag everything out of him. She told me she loves him because they sit in 'comfortable silence' together watching tv. Her favourite programme is Jeremy Kyle! He picks her up in the evening and she sleeps in my mum's bedroom with an en suite bathroom (it was absolutely filthy...too bloody lazy to clean anything), then she leaves every morning at 9am. Neighbour said she comes back late afternoon and he just presumed she worked.

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Stengor · 29/06/2014 10:41

Owl in first few days in hospital he said he wanted to move away and buy a bungalow. He has funds to buy without selling, so no reason why he can't do this immediately. Now he's obviously worried about losing her, because he said he likes his house and will just live in the downstairs part for a while! Said no to sheltered housing and also didn't want to stay with my Dsis when she offered.

Dsis said my mum had some really good jewellery and nothing is there now, just a few bits of broken costume jewellery. He didn't give us any jewellery.

Birds I have shot myself in the foot now really by responding so angrily to her texts last night. I told her we were suspicious of her motives etc. The gloves are really off now, so telling her about an imaginary POA would be hard! Dsis believes that if she tells him to choose her or us, he'll choose her and that we could be locked out forever. That would be his choice of course, but we would worry dreadfully for his safety.

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OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 10:45

Assuming your father had no reason to sell the jewellery, that sounds suspicious. :( I thought of jewellery because its small and easy to sell.

OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 10:47

He sounds a lot like my uncle. My dad had to have a strong conversation with him when he was in hospital after a fall and insist he move to a nursing home near him. He managed to get him to set up POA and (finally!) write a will. Luckily in his case it was pure stubbornness with no potential "parasite" scenario.

Stengor · 29/06/2014 11:00

Couple of days ago, dad said that he popped round to her house without phoning first and a taxi driver 'friend' was just leaving. Neighbour opposite said she sometimes goes to my dad's in a taxi and always kisses the taxi driver goodbye!

Also, she has had her mum, step father and brother round at my dad's house. Sounds like the whole family are involved.

Her second ex is a big scaffolder and he was banging on my dad's door a while back asking him for her new address because he was getting a string of nasty text messages from her. Dad was really frightened but wouldn't give him any info. The police put a stop to the texts in the end.

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MaryWestmacott · 29/06/2014 11:23

Is the jewllery somehting you are upset about? If so, I'd send her a message asking for it back or if she's sold it, to say where so you can buy it back, and that if she's certain she's not taken it, you'll be going to the police.

Re why your dad doesn't want to cut her out, he probably doesn't want to admit to himself that he is a vunerable old man. Noone wants to feel that.

Stengor · 29/06/2014 11:35

Forgot to say that she has got her 'brother' living with her in her one bed flat at the moment. She said she sleeps on an air bed because he works in London and leaves at 5am, so he needs a good bed to sleep in. She reckons he earns 60k, which begs the question, why is staying with her, especially given that she is claiming housing benefit as a single occupant and is effectively committing fraud. Dsis and I think it's really her first ex husband or a new boyfriend (the taxi driver?). How would anyone know whether it is her brother or not.

Another thing, she asked for some stuff she left at my dad's to be posted to her. Dropped it round instead. When we got there, whole front door area burnt out. Looks like someone tried to fire bomb it. She's obviously pissed someone else off. Told dad about it thinking that he would be scared about having her there in case she attracted trouble, but he just said 'poor devil, she didn't deserve that'.

She phoned hospital and said my dad doesn't need carers or anyone else going into his house when he goes home as she will be doing all the caring. She told them to cancel social services package. Luckily they ignored her.

Mary that is a good idea re jewellery.

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Mitzi50 · 29/06/2014 11:44

I would be very concerned - a vulnerable relative was persuaded by his "girlfriend" to let her have his bank card and pin number as he was too frail to get to the bank and she was doing his shopping. When he died, his next of kin found that his account had been cleared of his substantial life savings over a 3 year period.

OwlCapone · 29/06/2014 11:47

What has changed since he said he wanted to move away and buy a bungalow? Has she visited him or spoken to him in between that and him saying he would stay put?

GhettoFabulous · 29/06/2014 12:23

I don't know where you live, but in Scotland there is Adult Protection legislation and I presume there's similar in the rest of the UK. Contact social work and tell them he is at risk of financial, emotional and physical abuse.

Stengor · 29/06/2014 12:33

She has only visited him one time with me and Dsis and one time on her own when she went by taxi (prob her taxi driver b/f) and stayed for only 5 mins because taxi waiting outside (it's a two hour round trip, although she does have friends in area where hospital is situated as it's where she originally comes from). It certainly is possible that she has talked him out of bungalow idea. To be honest, I hadn't considered that.

He hasn't got a bank card and he's unlikely to get one as he said he wouldn't be able to remember a pin code (I suggested a safe for his valuables with coded entry).

He hasn't got a mobile (although there is no reception where he lives anyway) and has refused to let us install 'Lifeline'.

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Stengor · 29/06/2014 12:40

Mitzi how awful. Was his g/f also much younger? It is absolutely beyond me how anyone could take advantage of a vulnerable older person in this way.

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Mitzi50 · 29/06/2014 12:59

She was about 15 years younger. He had cancer and no immediate family except his brother who had (still has) a serious illness. His nephew visited as often as possible, but this woman was there on a day to day basis and was taking large sums of money out almost daily (there was no way the amounts were for shopping)

Stengor · 29/06/2014 13:08

Mitzi that is just so sad. What a truly vile woman. To do that to someone who is ill and vulnerable is beyond comprehension. What a low life.

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Sister77 · 29/06/2014 15:04

Money and belongings aside, she is violent and aggressive and your dad is scared of her. The hospital sounds like they have got a good grip on things but I would also do several things:

  1. POA to protect him now and in the future.
  2. Police involvement in the missing jewellery.
  3. Social services - he is a vulnerable adult and there are several safeguarding issues.
  4. Change your number and keep the one she is sending messages to in case she digs a hole for herself.
  5. Assume she's had keys cut and change the locks ASAP.

Hope it all works out op, it's tough!

Sister77 · 29/06/2014 15:06

By the way police involvement for missing jewellery is not just for that but also so she knows things are being dealt with officially.
Summer hols are coming up but perhaps yo had your sister could stay with him in turns.