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to have snapped at my brother for this.

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SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 00:04

At a family bbq today to celebrate my little sisters birthday. Just her, her dp, our parents, my family (me, dh and 2 dd's) and my brothers family (him, dw and ds).
My eldest dd (nearly 7) has asd and anxiety disorder so normally struggles a little when all the family are at my mams-it's not that big a place and she gets quite overwhelmed but she was coping really quite well today, speaking to people, playing with people, eating and joining in.
Anyway she was playing a game with our youngest (her sister), she's can be quite bossy when she plays and she likes things to be certain ways due to her autism but they were playing well together (her sister is quite good at not putting up with her bossiness and helps her to learn to play).
My db decided to join in the game, which incidently was a 'mums and dads' game. Youngest dd said to him 'I'm the mum, your the dad' and then my eldest piped up 'I'm Judy' and then repeated it several times as she does in all her games.
Anyway db clicked on she was repeating herself and started saying 'no I'm Judy' for a laugh knowing it would wind my dd up...which it did as you can only have one 'judy' in the game (again autism makes her a stickler for having things 'just so').
At first she came to me for clarification 'mum I'm Judy aren't i?' Yes darling 'but uncle p said he is Judy but I am aren't i?' Yes darling - cue me explaining to db that she likes to be that particular character and please don't wind her up as it upsets her. He retorted that you can have more than one character with the same name and proceded to try to explain to dd why you can have more than one person with the same name-which was completely lost on her as she was in game mode so just didn't have a clue what he was saying.
He carried this on for 15+ minutes, his dw told him to stop winding her up, my dm told her to stop winding her up and he carried on until the point where my dd shouted at him in frustration 'no I'm Judy! Not you you can't be Judy!'...I could tell by this point that she was on the edge of going into a meltdown-caused by him winding her up so much, you could visibly see how frustrated she was!
But instead of backing off he shouted back at her 'no I'm Judy!' And started laughing at her reacting to him again.
I snapped at this point, told dd to stop shouting and come to calm down as we don't speak to people as she was (she did stop shouting but started pacing as she was too worked up to sit), and I turned to him and told him quite harshly to 'enough now stop winding her up, she's got autism for crying out loud she doesn't understand that your tryjng to joke and is getting upset and I'm the one who is going to be left to deal with her melting down all because you think it's funny'
He then shouted at me 'what you think your the only one who knows about autism? I can work with those kids to you know!'
To which I told him I know my daughter and that he was upsetting her and again reintegrated that he was pushing her into a meltdown and that it was me who has to deal with it not him.
He then got stroppy, told both kids to go away and leave him alone as he wasn't allowed to play with them anymore and went and sat at the back of the garden shooing them away everytime they tried to speak to him for the next 30+ minutes despite both my children getting upset with this.

Was I wrong? Is it a life lesson that dd has to learn? I know obviously she does have to learn that not everything has to be her way or the way it is in her head and we work hard to do that with her but she cannot help how OCD she is about how she plays and her sister in this incidence was happy for her to take her normal role in this game (her sister does say no to her being Judy sometime and dd will give the role to youngest sometimes too so she is learning a bit about give and take) I felt uncomfortable by what he was doing tho, almost like watching someone be bullied but then his reaction made me feel like I was wrong (plus the fact no one even backed me up).
Wibu?

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AgentZigzag · 29/06/2014 00:43

If this ever comes up again OP, be confident enough that you're in the right and step in earlier and harder.

Don't be bloody nice about it, he's not so why should you pussyfoot around him?

Just let any of the shit he gives you go over your head, you're defending your DD and it's good for her to see you deflect his attention onto yourself and not take any shit from someone upsetting her, regardless of who they are (IMO).

SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 00:49

Thank you agent I will definitely have confidence with myself to deal if a similar situation occurs. I feel bad for doubting myself and not being harsher with him sooner now tbh..it's hard though with my family as in the past if I've called him out on things I've felt he has been out of order with people back him up and say 'oh he was only joking' and make out like I'm the issue with my lack of good humour!

Yes Susy she did and she did tell him a couple of times to stop winding her up as did my mum but it was in a wishy washy 'ahh p don't wind her up' (with a smile on their faces) way

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SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 00:53

Posted too soon sorry Susy, he's always been the type to make jokes at others expense, he used to hit me when we were growing up (a bit more that what id expect for normal sibling spats) and he is quite obnoxious in his demeanour....he's not really someone I would choose to spend time with hence why I don't see him all that much.

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Susyb30 · 29/06/2014 01:03

How frustrating for you..i would have been so pissed off . Don't stress over him, so not worth it. Yes he may be your brother but that gives him no right to treat your daughter like that or you for that matter. Keep distance. .your not close to him for a reason. You sound like a great mum btw :-)

AgentZigzag · 29/06/2014 01:07

I'd rather people thought I lacked humour than feel as though I'd stood back and let someone treat my DC like shit right in front of my eyes (which you didn't).

They're probably only brushing it off as a 'joke' because they're scared of him and his tantruming. They're looking at the wrong person to stop it though, don't let them pressure you into letting him get away with it.

A bit of family teasing and banter is pretty much the norm, but he's getting off on showing everyone he's in control so much that he can do as he pleases, nobody will say anything.

LizLimone · 29/06/2014 01:24

He sounds trying, 30 going on 13 by the sounds of it...

SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 01:26

Agent I think you've hit the nail on the head, I think my dm for sure is scared of his tantrums...he is very condescending with her and barely bothers with her yet she acts like the sun shines out his rear end whilst I do the opposite and have always gone above and beyond for her yet I'm the one she takes everything out on-especially if he has upset her heaven forbid she would say something to him lol!

Thank you Susy and Agent for you replies (and to everyone else too), it helps to know others would have been angry with his behaviour. I'll have a chat to both my dd's tomorrow to reiterate they did nothing wrong when he was shooing them away and I'll sleep easy tonight knowing keeping my distance from him is the right decision too.
Sleep well everyone :)

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DoJo · 29/06/2014 01:27

What a wanker and no you weren't being unreasonable at all (even typed it out in full, such is my certainty!). If your daughter has trouble understanding social interactions and give and take, then this was a great lesson for her - you modelled perfect behaviour when dealing with someone who won't stop doing something you don't like - asking him nicely at first, explaining why you wanted him to stop and then by insisting that he stop and getting the required result. I agree with the PP who said that even if she was NT, there is no excuse for treating a child like that - he joined in a game that they were playing, so he has to play the way they are. Playgrounds full of small children run on this principle with less aggro than he managed to muster up, so what on earth did he think he was playing at?
Your daughter saw you sticking up for her when she was getting too worked up to handle the situation herself, and she has confirmation that she doesn't have to accept that kind of treatment - it sounds like your brother was the only one who didn't manage to learn something from this situation.

SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 01:27

Very much so Liz :/

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SimplyStressed · 29/06/2014 01:29

Thank you dojo

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 29/06/2014 01:31

Humour is a tried and tested excuse (to minimise & victim blame in one neat package) it works well as you can see, particularly when in groups.

But it only goes so far, and once you get over the social awkwardness of calling him out on it, you've get into the swing of it and be able to jump in quicker next time. Although hopefully you won't have to see him much.

But basically, he's a cock.
Cock. Cock. Cock.

And a wanker.

And you sound lovely :)

zzzzz · 29/06/2014 07:19

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Simplesusan · 29/06/2014 07:25

Yanbu he sounds like a total jerk.

KatieKaye · 29/06/2014 07:30

Wow.
What adult would torment a child like this, far less a child he knows has ASD?
It was cruel and OTT.
Plain nasty and like he was going out of his way to wind her up for some warped reason.
I'm so sorry he put your DD through this.
TBH he sounds like he has some issues he needs to work through. Until he does I'd be keeping my distance. You were very restrained, given the circumstances.

Willyoulistentome · 29/06/2014 07:42

zzzz "same issue different presentation?"
I thought the same thing.

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/06/2014 07:43

He is a 30 year old bully. And he is bullying a 7 year old.

I'll bet he feels very manly about it all.

MaryWestmacott · 29/06/2014 07:48

I'm interested in his comment he works with dcs with asd so knows about meltdowns, that makes his "uncle dickhead" routine seem worse, like it's deliberate pushing her towards a meltdown, rather than not believing you she will and accidentally pushing a child too far.

I'd be tempted to limit contact, and if you have to go with the dcs, tell them not to play with their uncle. You could just say he can't do playing nicely. If they repeat it and he doesn't like it, tough, he can't.

Joysmum · 29/06/2014 07:51

YABU not to have removed your children from his control earlier. If he was asked not to continue taunting and didn't, you take control of your kids.

weatherall · 29/06/2014 09:07

I feel sorry for his wife and kids.

Have you ever asked her if he's abusive to them?

Rhine · 29/06/2014 09:54

If he can pin his own sister against the wall because she dared to stand up to him then I find that very worrying indeed. Sounds like a potential abuser of women to me.

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 29/06/2014 10:00

Christ, what a tit he is.

He sounds like a fucking nightmare.

FengMa · 29/06/2014 10:09

What. A. Twat.

You sound like you are doing a brilliant job at balancing her current needs with working gently towards a place where she can be a bit more flexible. You are also doing a v good job at protecting your daughter from unnecessary anguish.

You did the right thing. In fact, you were v restrained IMO.

God knows what your brother's problem is.

Mim78 · 29/06/2014 10:27

Yanbu. He sounds dreadful.

Sidthesausage · 29/06/2014 10:40

Not read the whole thing but I think it is manipulation and bulling. He wasn't thinking of your DD's happiness or feelings

Really when professionals/family feel that's its ok to start pushing the boundaries (ie introducing two judies instead of one), it needs to be done with preperaton, planning, discission and consideration of how DD will manage small changes.

Sidthesausage · 29/06/2014 10:41

Is DB autistic? I only ask because it is often genetic.

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