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to really not get why some people hate gays?

95 replies

wilfsfrozenbanana · 23/06/2014 14:32

Just seen this article about an opera singer in Australia who wrote on facebook that gays are "faecal masses" and that she is pleased when they get their jaws broken. See here; www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/soprano-tamar-iveri-dropped-opera-australia-anti-gay

I just don't get this visceral hatred of gays. It's nobody else's business what people do sexually in their bedroom. Why so much hatred for people because of their sexuality?

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mimishimmi · 24/06/2014 04:45

Well, she going to go far in the arts.... ;) She did say her husband posted it which I find feasible. To be honest, homosexuality makes me feel uncomfortable but there's no need to be a jerk about that.

Happydaysatlast · 24/06/2014 05:25

i think it comes down to whether you are a hateful person or not

Yes agree with that line.

TalkShowHost · 24/06/2014 06:31

I think some people are being almost wilfully liberally narrow minded here (I get the contradiction there) when people write that either that they don't get it or that homophobes are stupid.

I read an interesting book by Jonathan haidt on where our morality comes from and he argues that we have pretty strong disgust/clean reactions. You could ask why you don't get why people find pedophilia disgusting but you don't need to. Obviously there is a rational difference to do with consent but you're not really thinking of that. Pedophilia invites a natural disgust response. So does sex with animals and incest. So in answer to the question in many societies homosexuality (wrongly) incites a similar disgust response. Most of us have educated ourselves out of that position (rightly in my opinion).

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 24/06/2014 07:13

You can find rather nasty lines in most old books. People always trot out the Old Faves out of the bible but the vast amount of people my age and younger at our church wouldn't associate with those words.

You do know gods word was written down by men...? I'm guessing a few had own agenda sometimes. Purely my own assessment

TheSarcasticFringehead · 24/06/2014 07:25

I think it's because they just judge and hate a lot. Most homophobes I know are also quite misogynistic - even if they don't know it- and the ones I've met are all religious, some are causal racists and so on. I think religion is a big part of it- I was my PILs when the Westboro Baptist Church picketed nearby, it was disgusting. Loads of people blame Muslims, have you not noticed it? Hmm and being from a Jewish family, trust me, I'm not as focused heavily on Christians. Religion is a convenient way of using that hatred to unite them with other hateful people I suppose.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 24/06/2014 08:08

I like DD's gay friends

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 24/06/2014 08:12

Arrgh! Fatfinger!

...because they can sleep in her bedroom to save space.

And when I was younger, I quite enjoyed getting hit on by men. Compliments are compliments whatever the source, and lust is always honest.

Bambambini · 24/06/2014 08:12

Some people just hate. It's probably just not gays that they hate but other groups that don't adhere to their choices and life. Some people lead sheltered lives and don't have much experience of "other".

Chiggers · 24/06/2014 12:05

Some people feel uncomfortable because they have been conditioned to believe that a heterosexual relationship is the only proper relationship that there should be. A homosexual/bisexual relationship challenges that view and can make the holders of that view, uncomfortable.

Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality, it's just that the latter is the ideal situation for reproduction and rearing of offspring as well as being accepted as the societal norm. Think about it. When someone says they have a new partner, most people would assume that the man meant he had a female OH and vice versa. This depends on whether friends of the person knows about the individual's sexuality. Homosexuality has been deemed as disgusting/dirty and abnormal, by many people and groups. In essence, what a heterosexual or homosexual does behind closed doors is no-one else's business but the gay person and their OH.

immortalwife · 24/06/2014 12:15

No problem with homosexuality here...

Can't see the issue, its their life.

Never met a gay man who wasn't bitchy and backstabby and two faced.

Lesbians I've met are usually down to earth and wonderful. No bitchiness or backstabbing (mostly)

Don't get that really, but its their life, (again) and they can live it however the fuck they choose. Sex is sex.

Callani · 24/06/2014 12:16

I think some people want everyone to be like them, and then assume that anyone who ISN'T like them is being different to be difficult.

I have seen this applied to:

  • Sexuality
  • Religion
  • Ways of raising children
  • Naming children a culturally traditional name (because everyone should be called William / Elizabeth / John / Mary obvs)
  • Clothes
  • Music
  • Women who "act out" (don't want to be doormats)
  • People who get divorced
  • People who have children when they're not married
  • People who only have one child / have more than 3 children

Basically some people are judgemental idiots and unfortunately when it comes to things like being gay, this judgement turns into irrational hatred.

kim147 · 24/06/2014 12:18

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immortalwife · 24/06/2014 12:49

I've met about ten.

I don't give a shit about preferences as I have stated. Its their life.

I'm holding out for meeting a pleasant gay man. My friend who is a lesbian says I will meet one eventually haha, but I'm not really bothered. And I wasn't stereotyping I was stating my own experience thank you...

kim147 · 24/06/2014 12:50

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immortalwife · 24/06/2014 12:53

Would probably love them then! I'm just out to live a stress free life and love down to earth people. Can't be doing with twofaced ness of any sort.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 24/06/2014 13:36

You have probably met loads of gay men and not even realised they were gay because they do not conform to the camp stereotype. I have a lovely friend who is just a normal attractive bloke. He has women throwing themselves at him. No one ever realises he is gay unless he chooses to discuss his sexuality with them.

MehsMum · 24/06/2014 17:15

The C of E has a way to go, but down at the grassroots most people couldn't give a stuff.

A (gay) friend of a (gay) friend is a vicar. He tipped up at our house in a t-shirt saying, 'Jesus loves you - but not in a gay way!'

OP, I do NOT understand it. I think it's fear and ignorance more than anything.

DogCalledRudis · 24/06/2014 17:48

I love how people pick up a line from the Bible with ever thinking about context.

BackOnlyBriefly · 24/06/2014 19:47

god told you to kill people for being gay. explain how that can be ok in any context.

Perhaps you agree with it?

FailureIsNotAnOption · 24/06/2014 21:20

I'm sure the most homophobic people I've met are in denial of themselves even if they don't realise it yet.there is no reason to be against gay people other than fear

gobbynorthernbird · 24/06/2014 21:34

Can I make the point that saying gays rather than gay people is reductive and not really ideal?

Gays is an offensive term. Please don't use it, especially when you are slating other people for their ignorance.

ouryve · 24/06/2014 21:36

Some people are just obnoxious gits.

DogCalledRudis · 25/06/2014 09:03

In time of Moses, God told to kill people for variety of reasons, gay sex is merely one of them. Promiscuous women, disobedient children, young girls who lose virginity out of wedlock, people who violate sabbath, etc. Plus all the wars to reclaim the Holy Land. So homosexuality is not so special after all.

Fiderer · 25/06/2014 10:20

I'm reminded of this:

BackOnlyBriefly · 25/06/2014 12:48

DogCalledRudis yes and since then as the religion has been watered down so to has the command to kill them and now if you check with say the Pope and the Archbishop you will find it is policy to treat gay people as having less rights and to teach this to children so they grow up to be the same. Hence me saying that a major cause of homophobia is religion.

Fiderer I do love that video.