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PIL Being Unfair - How To Handle

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RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 19:38

Been married to DH for 7 years and initially thought his PIL were lovely but am increasingly getting upset by their attitude and comments towards me.

DH and I do not have children and are not planning to have any (getting a bit late now too) but you never know. I also work part-time as a supply teacher, probably around 0.4% of full time as it works out, and I model part-time which is something I did to support myself through uni. I like supply teaching, it suits me, and I don't want a permanent role at the moment; as it is I earn roughly the same as DH, sometimes a little more. I also do some private tutoring, pay half the mortgages and paid nearly 100% of the deposits for our main home and holiday home/holiday let from my savings.

My part-time working is a great bone of contention for PIL - they increasingly make snide remarks about me "living off DH", being "unemployed" during the summer hols (I live on my saved earnings and basically give the impression that they think I am a bit of a golddigger.

This is despite both SILS working part-time and not at all; but that is all right because they have children. However the whole lot of them are prone to making remarks about my figure ("women who have the same figure as when they were in their twenties are unnatural", "women should cut their hair after they are 30", "they can tell me of a good hairdresser to get rid of all that hair as it must be so hard to keep looking decent", "Lil isn't a good homemaker because she spends too much time on her appearance", etc.). They have accused me (wrongly) of having hair extensions and plastic surgery (also wrongly), but clearly don't believe me.

PIL seem to regard DH and I as kind of black sheep of the family. They have never visited us in our house, even when passing by, and we always have to go to them, but they are constantly in and out of SILs' houses, as "they have children". Which is fine, they provide 5 day per week and often weekend childcare, which we don't begrudge. However when my car broke down recently, leaving us unable to visit as planned, the comment was "Lil should spend some money on a decent car".

One BIL is nice, the other is rude and obnoxious and constantly asks me if I haven't got pregnant yet. He has tried to blag a free holiday stay in our holiday let off us in high season, and clearly didn't believe us when we said it was already booked. He also wanted to borrow my car when visiting the town we live in instead of hiring and was put out when I said no, I needed it myself.

PIL have paid for one SIL's house deposit and for their house to be redecorated, no expenses spared, 6 years ago and she is now getting it done by them paying again as shes not the cleanest its looking a bit dated. We get the impression that both SILs are hanging around competing with each other to get the most out of their will, again we are really glad to be out of this and have, without prompting, been told we will get nothing, but we visit to enjoy their company.

Or did. I really don't want to go there again. I've had enough and DH is pretty fed up too but always goes there for Christmas and various family things we are given a three line whip for. I have tried to take PIL aside and point out that I actually earn as much as DH and I probably spend less on make up and hair than they do, but they persist in this line that I am some kind of low earner who lives of DH. They also think we are poor and disorganised because we are building our own house and its not finished yet as we are doing some of the work ourselves to save money. Trying to point out it will be worth 3 times as much as theirs when finished falls on deaf ears - we are the black sheep of the family.

Any advice? I'm quite happy never to see them again and leave DH to go on his own, but it feels like admitting defeat.

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TheFarceAndTheSpurious · 08/06/2014 19:43

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LoveBeingInTheSun · 08/06/2014 19:44

You can't win, do t try, don't rise to the bait.

ViviPru · 08/06/2014 19:45

They sound ignorant and haven't really bothered to get to know or understand you. I wouldn't make any further efforts to positively present myself to them and carry on as you are, only dealing with them when you absolutely have to.

Just because people are relations, doesn't mean you have to get along with them IMO.

UncleT · 08/06/2014 19:46

Just stay away from them as much as possible.

JonesRipley · 08/06/2014 19:46

Your poor DH, having them for a family.

I would disengage as much as you possibly can. Spend time with them only when necessary. The fact you don't have children will probably make this much much easier in the long run.

I don't think anything you say will alter their perspective; they sound charming

RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 19:49

I forgot to mention that DFIL gave up work to be a SAHD and never returned to the workplace. He constantly comes out with comments such as how I should "look after DH more", etc.. He has really strange ideas about women providing for men and running around after them. MIL was a school headmistress and worked really hard until retirement age and then tutoring beyond. I think she is reliving her own children's childhood that she maybe missed out on a bit through her grandchildren but tbh its not doing them any good spending the majority of their time at their GP's house. Most people, grandparents included, agree that one set are known for being rude (kicking DH and making faces behind his back, making rude comments about our house being "half-built" or like "somewhere animals live"), the other two don't speak at all no matter what you say to them, even if its just "hello".

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JonesRipley · 08/06/2014 19:54

Relaxed

Leave the judgment of the children out of anything you say. Just smile and wave. People who know nothing about the ins and outs of your relationship say all kinds of stuff. And really that goes for your assessment of your nieces and nephews too.

mumaa · 08/06/2014 19:56

No real advice here im afraid. We are also the black sheep here so i can understand where you are coming from and it sucks!!!

i feel particularly hurt on behalf of my dh that he is treated so differently to his sister but they wont change. DH runs his own business and rather be proud and supportive of him they have digs at him for "working when everyone else is off" (weekends) and not going on holiday (a holiday abroad at least once a year is essential i am told).

they sound incredibly jealous of you! Irritating though it is, you will never change them, i have just taken the smile and nod stance with my lot, it is irritating but i am wasting my breath trying to talk sense to them, sorry!

RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 19:58

I never comment on the children. It was PIL who commented because I think MIL came off the phone to a friend of hers who had mentioned it while I was there.

I really do dread spending any time at all with them. Their comments are so hurtful. I have worked very hard for everything I have, my own parents died when I was young and I have never had the parental support that SIL have had - in fact they have held up this "fault" against me too.

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RandomMess · 08/06/2014 20:01

Geez, they have issues, I'd stay well away!!

Was does your DH really think? I'd be tempted to start going away for Christmas and Easter - after all you're already "not working" then Wink

ThinkIveBeenHacked · 08/06/2014 20:03

It sounds dreadful! Yours and dhs life sounds really great! Does he defend or stand up for you when the ILs start criticism?

parakeet · 08/06/2014 20:03

Look I know this is a total MN cliche but I can't imagine any better use of the phrase "That sounded rather rude, did you mean it to?" - with a puzzled look on your face.

They sound ruder than rude, criticising all these personal decisions of yours - income, child-bearing, house, etc. Just don't waste another moment of your time bothering what they think or say.

RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 20:07

He's been brought up to be "non-confrontational". The whole family prides itself on it. No-one is allowed to confront anyone about anything. Hence he just accepted it until recently I think it began to sink in more after the car incident. We had to wait hours for the AA by the side of the road and PIL refused to come and collect us because they had the grandchildren. We gave up and went home on public transport after that. Now he thinks about things like them never visiting our home at all and he is beginning to think a bit more critically of them I think.

He hasn't in the past stuck up for me when they've been having a go at me though, except for once, and that really rankles.

mumaa but I've never been a black sheep before in any shape or form! Its just bizarre.

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RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 20:10

Look I know this is a total MN cliche but I can't imagine any better use of the phrase "That sounded rather rude, did you mean it to?

Actually have used that parakeet: on MIL - blank look, on FIL - answered "yes". Seriously.

Sorry for the rant - I just needed to vent! Was also wondering if I was being a bit harsh on them.

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CrapBag · 08/06/2014 20:12

They aren't going to change. It isn't admitting defeat because its a pointless battle that you will never win.

Withdraw and don't waste your time with these awful people. Life is too short.

mumaa · 08/06/2014 20:26

Totally get it, i wouldn't class myself as this in any other scenario, but us, as a couple where my ILs are concerned we are black sheep or sometimes described as difficult just because we are not exactly the same as them and heaven forbid we cant go round to be picked at one Sunday in a blue moon because, DH is working... This is us being "difficult"!?! I don't get it.

i really do think they sound jealous of you and your achievements, particularly having achieved so much without that parental support, you would think they would want to welcome you in to their family given your situation. If they were happy with their own lives they wouldn't have the inclination to pick at yours! Hmm

MrsAtticus · 08/06/2014 20:35

A lot of it sounds like jealousy. Could you emotionally distance yourself but make token visits to ensure things are kept smooth?

FunkyBoldRibena · 08/06/2014 20:50

Why on earth would you want to spend one minute with them?

zeezeek · 08/06/2014 21:06

It can take a long time for a person to realise that their parents aren't always perfect - and are often total arseholes. This is especially the case if they are brought up like your DH was. Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it and avoid as much as possible.

Objection · 08/06/2014 21:15

Lil, do you actually care what these awful people think of you?

It sounds to me like they are all incredibly jealous of your lifestyle and that the PIL begrudge/judge for the lack of children.

Who cares what they think? Doesn't sound like they are a big part of your life (ie. very local or otherwise integrated).

You gain absolutely nothing from socialising with them and just add fuel to their hideousness by worrying about it.

Let your DH deal with them as he has the misfortune to be related to them. Ignore them and avoid as much as you can.

Your life sounds absolutely lovely, congratulations to you both and good luck on building the house! That's my dream!

HornyHandsofToil · 08/06/2014 21:28

But they ARE confrontational. Who else answers with a "yes" when asked if he meant for that to sound so rude? They just raised their son to not confront them.

I'd try standing up to them.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/06/2014 21:37

God, how soul-stealing. It really sounds as if there is no real reason to keep these people in your life. I'd refuse to have anything more to do with them. Since it sounds like your DH is beginning to see the light, I'd reinforce anything he says negative about them and follow it with "I don't see why we even go over if we just come home upset". Try to establish new holiday traditions that don't include them (spend hols away somewhere).

Pilgit · 08/06/2014 22:09

Stop trying. Nothing you do will be good enough in their eyes as they seem determined to put you in the black sheep role. Just laugh about it with dh. Sorry to be negative but to accept that they are in the wrong will be too much for them.

RelaxedLil · 08/06/2014 22:18

Yes, its as if DH and me in particular are "accepted" into their little clique if we accept we are the inferior ones.

And they talk about money all the time. I think that's part of the reason they insist we are poor - we don't talk about money and tend to underplay our finances if anything.

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RazzleDazzleEm · 08/06/2014 22:54
  • I have tried to take PIL aside and point out that I actually earn as much as DH and I probably spend less on make up and hair than they do, but they persist in this line that I am some kind of low earner who lives of DH

Do you think your the first dil to have heard this?

its such a common PIL/MIL complaint! It wouldnt matter if your a film star you would still be bludging of their son...or shaming him by your high earnings.

Admit deafeat, its a battle you dont want to get into, trust me....its one you will never win with people like that...

My PILS are exactly the same, FIl does Big Dick Waggling over his large house, and has said " oh you have a guard dog, not that there is anything to guard here" - Q disgusted look at our house Angry

We are the inferior ones and have been asked to reschule our own arrangements on many occasions so SIL can see our DD as she cant re schedule her time, as its more important Confused.

we simply had to withdraw. its awful.

pick your battles, honeslty if you withdraw and learn to live without them...you will have truely won.

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