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School first aiders missed a broken arm..

148 replies

NatalieMc82 · 05/06/2014 14:37

My youngest son fell in the playground at lunchtime yesterday (he is 7) and suffered a minor fracture to his arm. I am not blaming the school for the injury - boys fall over - but despite the fact that he saw 2 different first aiders nobody realised the seriousness or phoned home. Because of this he was left with no pain relief of medical attention. It was obvious as soon as I he got home and I asked the usual questions: could he flex his wrist? make a fist? wriggle his fingers? and the answer to all the above was NO that a visit to casualty was in order. There was also clear swelling compared to the uninjured arm. A and E were fabulous and x-rays confirmed a 'buckle' fracture. But am I being unreasonable by saying the school could and should have done more?

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brokenhearted55a · 06/06/2014 09:53

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Deverethemuzzler · 06/06/2014 10:03

I am not surprised you are upset, angry and asking questions.
Your child hurt himself badly, you were not able to be there and the poor boy is in pain.

I would be upset too. I can't imagine anyone feeling chilled about this incident.

I think you are right to ask some questions, get some answers and go from there.

It is possible the school did the right things because they are not medics and breaks are hard to diagnose.
It is also possible that their procedures are sloppy and their training poor.

I hope your son feels better soon. Try not to get too het up. Approaching this calmly will be hard but it is much better all round. Flowers

Ephedra · 06/06/2014 10:04

When I was in primary school I fell over and was taken to a&e. I had an x-ray and was told that my wrist was not broken. The next day the hospital rang to say that the x-ray had been reviewed and my wrist was indeed fractured.

I don't think you can blame the school if sometimes doctors get it wrong.

NatalieMc82 · 06/06/2014 13:54

Thanks all. Some interesting points from both parents / school teachers. Maureen I think you are right re best practise, and perhaps this is what has upset me the most. And I can accept that while I can take one look at my son and know something is seriously wrong, others can't. Hopefully school's own investigation will close any gaps and increase standards, perhaps lowering threshold at which parents are called - this would also protect school from accusations as choice would then always be that of parent.
Thankfully DS is recovering, although still needing pain meds.

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AElfgifu · 06/06/2014 13:57

Hi Natalie good to hear he is on the mend. Whatever the rights and wrongs, a generally upsetting incident all round.

wobblyweebles · 06/06/2014 13:58

I was crying to go home because it was so sore, but they couldn't understand what I was saying because I was crying so much

I would definitely expect a call in that situation. My daughter broke her arm in gymnastics and I was called within a few minutes. To the naked eye you couldn't diagnose a break but she was clearly in pain and holding her arm, and that was enough for the staff to immediately call me.

I hope your son is feeling happier soon. It is amazing how well children's bones heal but I found seeing my child in pain to be very tough.

TheReluctantCountess · 06/06/2014 14:23

Our school nurse missed a broken foot on a staff member. A proper nurse, not just a first aider.

morethanpotatoprints · 06/06/2014 14:39

Your child at 7 a baby ? Grin
For goodness sake get over yourself and read the posts, it sounds like the school did nothing wrong.
Unless I am mistaken they don't need to phone parents in the case of an accident unless there is something seriously wrong.
How do you know how your child reacted to them asking questions at school and how do you know they didn't ask if he could move certain parts.
If they called every parent for every playground accident there would be more parents than dc at school.

Deverethemuzzler · 06/06/2014 15:45

He is only 7.

My 6 year old is still my baby.
So is my 20 year old for that matter.
They all are when they are hurt.

sunshinecity17 · 06/06/2014 16:01

why do you think hospitals have x ray machines?i

tobiasfunke · 06/06/2014 17:12

Of course you can miss fractures but not being able to wiggle your fingers and a child crying in pain would seem pretty indicative that an xray would be needed. I wouldn't be happy with the school leaving my child like this.
They should've informed you at the very least.

intheenddotcom · 06/06/2014 18:06

Fractures are very hard to pick up unless bad - I wouldn't expect the first aiders to pick it up, esp. as swelling doesn't happen immediately.

I did my wrist twice at school, both were missed by staff. One was missed even by the A&E doctor.

atos35 · 06/06/2014 20:00

I think the school should have called you to let you make the decision about whether to take him home for medical attention or not, it's really not up to them to make that call. My son is forever having accidents at school playing football etc and every single time the school has phoned to tell me and offer me the chance to go in and decide if I want to take him to the doctor. Perhaps you should check what the usual procedure is in this scenario. Obviously you don't expect a first aider to diagnose a fracture as they can't, therefore they should have given you the opportunity to take him for medical attention at the time imo.

CrohnicallyHungry · 06/06/2014 20:51

They phone for every single accident?! I was on duty at playtime the other day. 1 grazed knee. 1 grazed elbow. 1 child bumped their head (on another child, who strangely wasn't hurt). 1 poke in the eye. 1 child went over on their ankle. 1 cut to the finger. Should I have phoned all their parents? And what should happen to the group of children I should be working with while I make those calls?

(Not to mention of course, when I phoned a parent about a child whose toe was injured and it was too sore for him to walk on, the parent arrived and decided he was putting it on and complained about me)

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 07/06/2014 08:30

It may well have been obvious to a ten year old by the time you got him OP, but not when he was first examined.

DH missed my DDs fracture aged 4 because she could wiggle her fingers and it wasn't swollen, and her description of the pain was that "it feels a bit scratchy". By the next morning it had swollen up and was then obvious.It was so bad that it needed a general anaesthetic to set it.

I think really what the school did wrong was not ring you, and not to reassess his injury, assuming that he was actually crying badly in class, rather than sniffling a bit and only melting down completely once you got there.

KeepingUpAnon · 07/06/2014 08:49

Lots of breaks don't become apparent for hours (or days).

I broke my wrist when I was 11. My mum didn't take me to the hospital for three days as it seemed fine. On day 3 I woke up and it had blown up like a balloon overnight...up until then it had been fine and only a small amount of discomfort.

It may well be that when he was examined at school it didn't seem very serious.

Our school don't phone for every accident, they do phone for any bumps from the neck up to make you aware.

BarbarianMum · 07/06/2014 08:55

Does it make me a bad parent if I don't want the school to call me to come and judge the severity of every injury my children have? I'd have been down three times this week.

I am happy for them to triage. I don't think they'd be more likely to miss a broken bone than I would.

ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 07/06/2014 08:58

BarbarianMum Grin Agreed! I could wallpaper my house with the accident slips DS1 brings home!

WillieWaggledagger · 07/06/2014 08:59

my parents are doctors and missed a fracture in one of their own children until two weeks after the event

lecherrs · 08/06/2014 02:41

My seven year old daughter broke her hand last year. I was on holiday with a friend at the time. She's a nurse. She immediately inspected it, and after the initial tears, DD could move her hand normally, had no obvious signs no bruising etc. So she ran off and continued playing quite happily. Thought no more about it.

Later on that evening, she started moaning that it hurt, but not in the same place where she had hurt it, so I didn't think much of it gave her calpol and sent her to bed.

By the next morning, it had swollen up and I took her to A&E where she had indeed fractured it. But even then, the doctors didn't think she had because she couldn't identify where the pain was (she said it hurt where she hadn't hurt it iyswim). Then she had to answer some questions by the doctor and they were totally inaccurate! I know because I was there . I think it was the way the doctor asked the questions that made her give the wrong answers. I looked awful, going "it wasn't quite like that".

Children cannot always be relied on to give an accurate account of what happened, especially in stressful situations.

Although that's not my worst, with my eldest I missed a fractured ankle and she did tumbling on it for a week before that fracture was diagnosed. Turns out she has a very high pain threshold and so did not present the usual symptoms. The nurse at the hospital poo pooed the idea of it being fractured, and only did the X ray because I insisted. With DD1, the pain came and went, and was more like an ache than anything else. Everyone thought she had sprained it. (Me, two nurses and a first aider)

Whilst dealing with one of her fractures, we discovered that it was highly likely that DD1 had fractured her ankle previously too. That had never been diagnosed, despite taking her to the doctors. But he had dismissed it because she couldn't identify the exact time it had happened, and passed the normal checks. She was 7 at the time, and wasn't able to give an accurate account of what had happened, or the pain. Turns out her very high pain threshold means she didn't present in the normal way, so it was overlooked.

When she fractured and dislocated her elbow, I was called because it was dangling at a very peculiar angle. So DD just popped it back into place. When I got there, she was fine. Everyone was amazed because she hadn't screamed, she hadn't cried out, she just Got up, looked at her elbow dangling at an awkward angle and popped it back in. She didn't even bother to tell her gym coach. However, another gym coach spotted her, and so she got the first aid. They asked her if she was going to tell her coach, and she just replied "yes, I would have done". Another girl went green looking at the funny angle DDs arm was at . When I arrived, I gave her calpol and drove her to the hospital. It wasn't until a good couple of hours later that she started complaining about the pain. At the time, she hadn't cried or anything. If it wasn't for the fact that she had dislocated it, I wouldn't have thought to have taken her to the hospital. She was in a cast for weeks after that one!

The pain does not always present itself immediately, and children cannot always give an accurate account of what happened.

I think I ought to shut up now, before someone calls social services on me!

ravenAK · 08/06/2014 04:16

I'm a teacher & did a First Aid course this year - just a one day course. It was prompted by the fact that I was taking a group abroad & none of the team had a First Aid qualification, so I volunteered to be trained.

It definitely didn't cover fractures. I can have a go at CPR, stopping bleeding & cooling a burn, or I can put you in the recovery position, basically.

whilst obviously serious accidents can & do occur in schools, doing 'First Aid' in schools isn't really, on a day-to-day basis, about that sort of 'holding the fort in a life-threatening situation until the ambulance arrives' response - it's mostly mopping up nosebleeds or providing a sick receptacle to a kid who has suddenly gone a bit green.

As such, ours is performed by admin staff because if you drag a teacher out of a lesson to look at someone's skinned knee or gritty eye, you then need someone else to supervise their class - not very practical.

Having said all that, if a child with a hurt limb was crying hard because he was in pain, I'd expect someone to be taking a decision to ring home. It might be a fracture, especially as they are apparently hard to spot, so calling a parent who could collect child & take for an x-ray would seem both sensible & kind.

I'd be mightily hacked off with the school in OP's shoes.

Thumbwitch · 08/06/2014 04:42

Gorionine - the OP was talking about the RSPCA in the context of if she'd left her cat like that, so it was the right one. Not sure the NSPCC would be bothered about a cat. Wink

Thumbwitch · 08/06/2014 04:43

Arse! Sorry, gorionine - I thought I had this on "All messages" but it was still on pages and I'd only got to the bottom of page 1. Ignore me! Blush

FindoGask · 08/06/2014 05:33

I had an undiagnosed broken arm for a week as a ten year old. Nothing terrible happened.

Brabra · 08/06/2014 06:14

It is unusual and a little worrying that they would leave a child crying so much. Maybe he has form for it? is he known for being a bit of a cry baby?