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To ask my neighbour about England flag bunting?

395 replies

nuffinthemule · 30/05/2014 16:12

My neighbour is outside on a ladder attaching England-flag bunting to the lampost outside his house (on the pavement). Is there a sport-related reason for hanging bunting this weekend that I have forgotten about or am I right to be slightly wtf? We live in a very multicultural area and I think it looks a bit aggressive and unwelcoming, although I accept it might not have been his intention. I know the neighbour to say hello to only and although he's always been reasonably friendly I have tbh been keeping a bit of distance as I know other neighbours have fallen out with him. Would you ask him why he is hanging it, do you think? Or am I being paranoid? And if you agree it is a bit dodgy how do I get him to take it down?

OP posts:
gorionine · 30/05/2014 19:54

OneStepCloser This is precisely why it needs to be reclaimed.

Dollybird86 · 30/05/2014 19:55

Op i understand what you mean personally find it makes me slightly nervous (not when sporting events are on!!) But we are currently house hunting and if a house I liked was on the same street as a house with a st George's cross in the window I very much doubt I would go back for a 2nd viewing but I am mixed raced and in an interfaith marriage and I'm quite open about my fear of UKIP voters (maybe a bit paranoid) lol

AnyFucker · 30/05/2014 19:59

I haven't read all thread (unusually for me) but I want to show a bit of support to the OP

Not everyone knows the World Cup is starting soon (and the major matches are still weeks away)

Last weekend I was away at an un named holiday type of place. There was a bloke driving one of them big stupid off road vehicles around just a bit too qucikly, with several kids hanging off the back, and Englnad flags flying off the top

I judged..oh, yes I did

Youdontneedacriminallawyer · 30/05/2014 19:59

Only in England......

This post would never have been made by anyone living in Wales, Scotland or N Ireland.

Rebecca2014 · 30/05/2014 20:03

Can you believe In England we have to worry about putting up our own flag because it may offend people? It seems the only people that make an issue out of being patriotic is the English people themselves!

PrincessBabyCat · 30/05/2014 20:04

I'm not a fan of flag waving outside of sporting occasions, especially the way they do it in America. I just don't understand why Americans living in America fly an American flag outside their home.

Because if we don't, the terrorists have won.

Seriously though, it's just national pride and a common ground no matter how different you are from your neighbors. We have lots to be proud of over here. We did invent the phone, electricity, and the internet after all. Grin

ExitPursuedByABear · 30/05/2014 20:07

Not read the whole thread.

But goodness me.

Is this England?

Can we fly our flag?

Actually. Ignore that question.

If you have a problem with it ..............

gorionine · 30/05/2014 20:07

Because if we don't, the terrorists have won.
Really?Confused

squoosh · 30/05/2014 20:08

'We did invent the phone, electricity, and the internet after all.'

I'll give you the phone and electricity but wasn't Tim Berners-Lee a Brit? Besides, the best American invention is the cheese burger.

slithytove · 30/05/2014 20:09

She did follow that with "seriously though" gori...

ExitPursuedByABear · 30/05/2014 20:10

English.

slithytove · 30/05/2014 20:10

Wasn't the phone a Scotsman? I think it was a tic post Grin

gorionine · 30/05/2014 20:10

oops, missed that bitBlush

MistressDeeCee · 30/05/2014 20:11

The Union Jack and all its connotations - I find that unwelcoming. Not the England flag, though. This is England, I expect to see it. & Ive never heard any complaints about the England flag, its the Union Jack thats linked with nationalist aggression

squoosh · 30/05/2014 20:11

I need to brush up on my inventors!

slithytove · 30/05/2014 20:12

It wasn't a Scottish guy... Blush should've googled first

poshme · 30/05/2014 20:13

Misstress I think you're wrong- the st George's flag is the one often used in the past by racists sadly.

And yes- the Internet was English wasn't it?

MyUsernameIsPants · 30/05/2014 20:13

I would love to see Eurovision held in Britain. We could make it a 2 day event, with the results on the second day. The country/act each household wants to win has to put the national flag up of that country for a whole day.

Of course we'll never win to hold it here

squoosh · 30/05/2014 20:14

The only one I remember is Logie Baird the Scot who invented the television.

And that's only because he reminds me of Yogi Bear.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 30/05/2014 20:15

LOL at the Spanish Easter celebrations - I've been in Spain for a few and the first one I went to I was a bit Shock Hmm Grin.

If more people displayed the flag then it would be recouped and no longer associated with those horrible groups of people.

^This. It is sad that it appears that the English are possibly the only country in the world not allowed to display national pride in fear of being branded racist or xenophobic Sad.

As English people we often fly flags and recognise St Andrews, St Patricks and St David's days with more prominence than our own national day.

And on Mumsnet, displaying the English flag and expressing pride in being English appears to be one of very few things (along with unclean bathrooms and poor spellling and grammar) that it appears to be acceptable to judge on and make assumptions about. Someone once posted about not buying a house because there was an England flag in a neighbour's garden and everyone else was in almost unanimous agreement that the neighbours were definitely knuckle dragging racists Hmm.

Assumptions and generalisations on almost everything else is pulled up - I was told off a few days ago for saying that French people preferred a cooked lunch to sandwches.

But if someone posts about someone else's dirty toilet or that their neighbour with an England flag must be racist, everyone almost always agrees with the OP. And woe betide anyone that makes a grammatical or spelling error.

No matter what they have to say, or what problems they have, if they inadvertently mix up there and their, or lose and loose or any other common grammatical error, they will be ripped to pieces, even if they appear to be troubled etc.

ThursdayLast · 30/05/2014 20:16

I understand the connotations of a flag, but I completely disagree with making assumptions based on them.
I also agree that the more people who fly a flag in a 'non-aggressive' way the better, reclaiming it and all that.

But BUNTING???
In what world has bunting ever been put toward promoting a dodgy agenda?!

ThursdayLast · 30/05/2014 20:18

OnIlkley I was thinking of that thread too. Someone cleverer than me posted that if they wanted to keep the bigots out of their own neighbourhood, they'd put up England flags.
I thought that was funny.

squoosh · 30/05/2014 20:18

J'accuse bunting of promoting the agenda of twee!

ThursdayLast · 30/05/2014 20:19

Well yes, I'll admit that squoosh Grin

slithytove · 30/05/2014 20:19

Arrgh and strikeout fail!
not my night

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