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To be surprised at the number of cyclists in London without helmets on?

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LittleMisslikestobebythesea · 28/05/2014 19:14

Just got back from London, and noticed that a lot of cyclists don't wear helmets.

It just surprised me, I know with Boris bikes it may be that you need to hire one and don't have a helmet, but otherwise why not?

This is not a bash at cyclists, I think they are very brave with all that traffic and the number of buses.

Just genuinely surprised and curious!

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Sparklingbrook · 29/05/2014 10:54

I agree with dressing for the activity, and if cyclists choose lycra that's up to them. I don't wear it myself it wouldn't suit me for a start. Jogging bottoms and a sweatshirt for me.

For long walks jeans are not advisable- no.

Abra1d · 29/05/2014 10:55

It's not the law. When I cycle I don't wear a helmet if I'm pootling around locally. My blonde bob makes it clear I'm a woman and I find that drivers take care to pass me with lots of room.

Helmets squash my hair down. If I had to wear one all the time, I'd stop cycling and my health would suffer.

My children wear helmets, though, and so do I if I am going on a more dangerous road.

I have been cycling since I was tiny. I don't go too fast and I am alert to animals/motorists/other cyclists/potholes.

And I also cycle home from the pub if I have drunk a couple of glasses of wine. So shoot me. Life on MN is not life as is lived in real life, where people use their discretion, their local knowledge and their commonsense: ie, they tend not to cycle helmet-less up the local dual carriageway, or across a busy city in rush hour, or after drinking a bottle of vodka. Or take newly cycling tiny tots mountainbiking without helmets.

Error123 · 29/05/2014 10:55

Of course helmets save lives! I know someone who fell off her bike. She was stationary at the time, just lost her footing, fell and cracked her head on the kerb. Her helmet saved her from a bad head injury!

I'd take the option of additional protection over none anyway!

It makes sense to in the least wear a high vis vest. And it is agains the law to ride without lights in the dark, those sort of cyclists are just plain stupid. And breaking the law.

Helmets are a persona choice. I choose to wear one as do all my family. I cycle about 100 miles a week, off road mostly. However I have been forced into a few sudden stops by cars cutting me up at roundabouts etc and come off my bike and been grateful for my helmet.

TheFuzz · 29/05/2014 11:04

A helmet does not save your head ! Most deaths in london are caused by folk cycling up the inside of a large vehicle and getting squashed, it doesn't save them. You stay away from large vehicles.

PS I do wear a helmet and cycle commute in traffic upto 40 miles a day, and am ofter out on the bike 4 times a day. I don't rely upon it to save me from a head injury.

TheFuzz · 29/05/2014 11:06

To sparklingbrook, lots of us have no showers at work, so we manage with a wipe down, or indeed babywipes. They are excellent.

Sparklingbrook · 29/05/2014 11:07

I don't think anyone thinks that a helmet will save you from being killed by getting squashed by a truck do they? Confused

TheFuzz · 29/05/2014 11:13

Head injuries on a bike are far less than in cars. The statistics back this up, so the not wearing of a helmet is less of a 'risk' that folk perceive.

I've been knocked off my bike quite a few times, various broken bones, shoulders etc. but I've yet to bang my head !

Wearing a helmet is the least of my worries. It's the poor driving, like the lady who came within a nats whisker of knocking me off with a very poor overtake this morning. Oh I let her know about it. My helmet wouldn't have helped.

Bellezeboobian · 29/05/2014 11:16

www.bicycling.com/senseless/index.html?cm_mmc=Google--Bicycling--Content-Story-_-helmet-safety

Interesting reading. Helmets good for catastrophic blows, not so for lighter ones.

Sparklingbrook · 29/05/2014 11:17

Oh no Fuzz. What did you say to her?

dexter73 · 29/05/2014 11:17

My dh has come off his bike many times and it is always his head that he lands on so he is very pro helmets because of this. (I wish he wouldn't as helmets are very expensive!)
My parents friend died after hitting his head on the road when he fell off his bike. He was a surgeon and went to the hospital to get checked out and was given the all clear but he died during the night as he had a bleed on the brain. This was about 20 years ago though so hopefully this would be picked up now.

TheFuzz · 29/05/2014 11:18

Some reading to balance the books

www.ctc.org.uk/campaign/cycle-helmets-evidence

TheFuzz · 29/05/2014 11:23

sparklingbrook, rather a lot of profanities. I'm a fairly rapid cyclist, so caught the car up and hit the passenger window and said 'too close' - I did get an apology but that's a bit late after a bonnet appears under your elbow at speed.

I am pro helmets, but it's a personal choice of individuals - the evidence says low risk. Cycling is safe. It's also hugely beneficial for your health. I work on an accident once every three years. Shame the last one I had took about 4 years, surgery, injections, physio. That was caused by a driver not looking - hit me at 30 miles an hour and just scooped me up.

They are needed off road as your chances of a crash are bigger, and it's usually an immediate stop as the front wheel boggs down or hits a rock. Low lying branches are another issue.

AgaPanthers · 29/05/2014 11:52

These threads always strike me as odd, because those telling people what to do seem to do so on the basis of no evidence at all.

Assumptions I see here:

That cycling in London is particularly dangerous - most experienced cyclists would say not, but you need stats.

That wearing a helmet will make what is assumed to be dangerous as per the above into something safe enough for mass participation. Rather odd again, the assumed hazard is large heavy vehicles and it is odd to believe that plastic hats can somehow neutralize this threat.

That helmets significantly enhance cycle safety. This belief is usually based on assertion and bluster 'well it must do'. Contrary studies are dismissed as nonsensical, and in the rare event that the poster has any study in support, these are to be treated as unimpeachable.

That pseudomedical anecdotes are of great value - e.g. my hairdresser's brother fell off his bike wearing a helmet and hit his head and didn't die, therefore the helmet saved his life, regardless of factors such as whether he would have hit his head in the first place without a helmet, or the physical limits on a helmet's effectiveness.

That cycling is somehow inherently dangerous, compared with say walking or other everyday activities not deemed to require special equipment, and therefore safety gear is necessary. (Hint: walking is more dangerous.)

That you can make analogy with other safety apparatus that operate in different ways and therefore prove your point - e.g. You wouldn't drive without a seatbelt, therefore a helmet is required for cycling. Of course more logically, if cycling requires a helmet, so should cars. Or motorbikes require helmets (which are much better than cycle helmets, being bigger and heavier), therefore so should bicycles (why not leathers also???).

And so on, almost never with any logical reasoning.

FidelineandFumblin · 29/05/2014 11:57

I have never understood why the boris bike scheme did not falter on exactly this point.

I bet you wouldn't find a member of A&E staff cycling in a city w/o a helmet.

Fakebook · 29/05/2014 12:00

Because they have a death wish. Also, it's not just in London.

I'm so glad the days have got longer now. I won't be blinded by hovering flashing alien type lights in the late evening anymore.

givemushypeasachance · 29/05/2014 12:45

FidelineandFumblin - I was reading an interview with 64 year old neurosurgeon Henry Marsh who still regularly cycles and he conciously chooses not to wear a helmet on the basis of having seen too many injured cyclists who did wear one who still suffered brain damage. He said in the interview that if he was knocked off his bike and hit his head he'd prefer to be killed outright.

I personally usually wear a helmet on the basis that it may help if I slip over at low speed and crack my head, but I'm under no illusions that it would do me much good if I was hit by a car doing 30mph or squashed under a bus.

Helmet wearing is a free choice, cyclists shouldn't be judged for not wearing one. They should be judged if they cycle around in winter dressed all in black with no lights on their bike, but that's another matter...

forago · 29/05/2014 12:47

Fidel I've always thought that about the Boris bikes too!

in the City the only people I see without helmets are people on Boris bikes - and they tend to be worried and out of control too.

mind you the middle ages men in Lycra doing 50mph on the pavement are far far worse IMO.

FidelineandFumblin · 29/05/2014 13:00

I was reading an interview with 64 year old neurosurgeon Henry Marsh who still regularly cycles and he conciously chooses not to wear a helmet on the basis of having seen too many injured cyclists who did wear one who still suffered brain damage. He said in the interview that if he was knocked off his bike and hit his head he'd prefer to be killed outright

Bloody hell. So basically a high-risk extreme sport then?

in the City the only people I see without helmets are people on Boris bikes - and they tend to be worried and out of control too.

Yes! Madness that the centre of London is seen as a good place to have a dabble at cycling for the first time in years!

LittleMisslikestobebythesea · 29/05/2014 13:46

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LittleMisslikestobebythesea · 29/05/2014 13:49

I know its up to them but it just surprised me.

A girl on our street was just cycling around outside and fell off and had concussion, so I suppose I'm more aware.

I make my kids wear them, so I would wear one too.

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Lasvegas · 29/05/2014 14:32

I horse ride with helmet and ski with helmet. But cycle in London with no helmet.

whois · 29/05/2014 15:41

I know someone who slipped in the bathroom and hit her head on the bath. She died.

By the shit logic emoyed by the anecdotal 'helmets save lives' brigade we should all wear helmets in bathrooms.

I just don't see why people get het up about this? It totally doesn't affect anyone apart from the individual making the choice.

On my commute I think I am most at risk of being hit by a car at a partially confusing junction, and of being squashed or dragged under the wheeled of a high sided vehicle. I feel no safer when I wear a helmet.

When I go MTB I think I am most at risk of going over the handlebars on decents. I feel safer with a helmet on as I judge the head injury risk to be higher.

whois · 29/05/2014 15:43

My typing is shit on the phone

sincitylover · 01/06/2014 23:09

I've just spent three days in Denmark where few people wore helmets and no Lycra clad aggressive cyclists - I know we're not comparing like wrung like but the cycling culture was great and relaxed.

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