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Outrageous 'MIL' behaviour!

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Tansie · 23/05/2014 08:28

Not me but a very close friend:

Her DD is getting married very soon. They're 23ish. My friend, tho struggling and single is and wants to pay for her DD's wedding which will be trad, with 60-70 guests, being their friends and close family. My friend is single because her DH had a midlife crisis and basically abandoned his family (even citing the eldest DD, then 18, as being 'a main reason he was walking out' as he wasn't going to admit it was his fault- and that he was seeing another woman!). The DD, I should add can be a bit fiery but is otherwise a fantastic young woman, and father's departure devastated the whole family.

Groom apparently has 'about 30' cousins, most of which he's barely met.

His mother, the MIL in question has, without any consultation whatsoever- invited all the cousins 'plus one' Shock because 'weddings are about family, not about money'..... When confronted but her son and DIL-to-be, she went crazy, stating that 'at least all the groom's family would be there unlike the bride's who couldn't even have her own father there, and how did she think her marriage to their son would hold together seeing as her own family was split, hmm?.... Bear in mind, a month earlier the young couple had to re-write the seating arrangements because the groom's parents' families couldn't possibly sit together because 'they hate each other'. MIL also said that the 'DIL' was selfish and why had this wedding all become about her? (um- because she's the bride, maybe?) DD coldly told MIL-to-be that if she ever repeated the thing about the family being a failure because the father walked out, she'd deck her (this woman knows nothing about the circumstances of the father's walk-out and subsequent agonies of the family).... at which point FIL waded in and threatened to deck his DIL-to-be as she'd threatened his wife! FFS!

The young couple are devastated, esp the lad whose parents are behaving so outrageously. He's quiet and nice, and unlike my friend's DD who can and actually is seriously thinking about disentangling herself from this crazy family despite loving the son, is stuck with his hideous parents.

The last shot was that the PILs weren't going to the wedding, their own son's wedding so as to demonstrate their pique.

My poor friend is beside herself, watching her DD's (and 'SIL's) Big Day being destroyed by these people who do not understand or respect boundaries. The 'cousin' thing was outrageous enough (my friend is a very polite and well mannered woman but she's been moved to say that the reason is, she thinks, that they're a Big Fat Gypsy wedding style family who want to show off the family bling at weddings held at registry offices followed by a 'do' at a pub and a punch up, as opposed to a polite 'MC' do with everyone in their finest clothes and best behaviour. She 'gets' that her DD can be fiery but cannot forgive the barbed remarks about the father not being there as HE walked out on THEM and has had nothing to do with any of them (inc no support) more or less since. So why should he be invited to his DD's wedding?

I am furious on her behalf.

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TheKhalisirules · 23/05/2014 08:52

Sorry to hear this, especially for the young people.
Sounds like what I went through, 22 years ago.
Ended up having a small, but lovely Registry Office wedding with the friends and family who really wanted to be part of it.
I don't think the relationship to my mother ever really recovered.
But every time I look at my beautiful daughter, I know it was the right decision.
If the DD really loves the young man, she must accept this horrible people will be a part of their lives.
But it doesn't mean they have to put up with their crap.
It is their day. When the guests have left, the music has stopped playing and the lights are off, it will just be the two of them.
That is all that matters.

TheKhalisirules · 23/05/2014 08:53

*these

DizzyKipper · 23/05/2014 09:02

Yep, families can be really shit can't they? But at least the daughter knows what the family are like now. I'm sorry to say but if she really loves her partner then she is going to have to brace herself for their outrageous and toxic behaviour for the rest of her life, I very much doubt this will be the last time they pull such awful stunts. I had to do some serious soul searching myself about how much I loved DH and whether I could really be with him knowing it meant being lumped with his mum for the rest of my life (as just a taster, she tried to get him to dump me whilst my dad was dying and still after he died, right when our wedding had been cancelled as well). In the end I knew I could never leave him despite what they said and did because I loved him that much, but that doesn't mean it's been easy, and I definitely think our relationship has been strained at times and I sometimes worry it won't hold. My point is, it's better going into these things knowing what you're going to get. It's also time for her to start working out boundaries and how to handle them now.

diddl · 23/05/2014 09:07

So what does the groom to be intend to do about it?

Has the MIL actually sent out invitations or verbally invited?

They won't be on the seating plan will they?

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 23/05/2014 09:12

Oh dear!

This sounds similar to a couple who are good friends of ours. The bride's family were all lovely & fairly straightforward, but the groom's were a nightmare (X couldn't be near Y, Y couldn't be neat Z, Z wouldn't even come if A did etc. etc.).

In the end, they went on a family holiday abroad somewhere (can't remember where exactly) with the bride's parents & sisters - this was something they did every year as they all got on so well, so didn't arouse suspicion - and quietly got married on a beach Smile.

Of course the groom's family were furious when they got back & told everyone - but it was entirely their own fault.

Also, it is not the MIL's place to be sending anyone an invitation. I suggest that the couple change at least one significant detail - time, location, date etc. - so that MIL has to contact everyone she's 'invited' to tell them it was a mistake & that they should wait for an actual invitation from the bride & groom - or not!

ILoveCoreyHaim · 23/05/2014 09:12

Tell them to do it abroad. If it was my DD and that was going on I think I would forfit going for her to have a wedding she enjoys. I suspect whatever is said/agreed will not be good enough anyway.

Some of he best weddings I have been to have been register office and a social club/pub do.

Staywithme · 23/05/2014 09:12

I come from a shitty family, no contact, but my husband's family is lovely and huge. We knew there would be a lot of questions and gossip if we got married here so we decided to get married abroad and have a party when we got back. It's less stressful, you're almost guaranteed sunshine and it's less noticeable who isn't at a party. Good luck to your friend and her daughter. That family sounds like a shower of shite and no matter what the daughter does they will cause trouble. Why the hell are there so many nasty a'holes out there determined to ruin other people's happiness? Angry

TeWiSavesTheDay · 23/05/2014 09:13

Ah poor couple!

I do think this is the moment for the groom to stand his ground, if they want to get married then this is their independent life together, he needs to stand up for his gf and make it clear that what they want and need comes first.

If ILs are providing funds for the wedding it is probably best to refuse it so that they can't use money to control their decisions.

Whatisaweekend · 23/05/2014 09:34

Oh god how awful. These people sound vile. Would it be possible, once the dust has settled, for the two mil's to get together for a chat over a cup of coffee (NOT wine). Then your friend can explain that as she is funding the whole shebang, there simply isn't the funding available for the stupid bitch to invite the world and his wife more than XX number of people. Especially since the disgusting excuse for a man ran off devastating the family? Not that she owes this cow any sort of explanation but a calm, rational discussion might be in order.

It goes without saying that, however poisonous these people are, threatening to "deck" anyone is only going to inflame the situation and the bride needs to grow up a bit. Unless, of course, they want to appear on Jeremy Kyle.....

Tansie · 23/05/2014 09:46

Thanks all. I was wondering if I might be told to butt out- though I am 'involved' as I care deeply about my friend, her lovely family (not including her crazy ex-DH!) and she's had a shit few years, including cancer. This wedding is really important to her as well, in that she sees it as a bit of her 'I will Survive' moment, her way of showing the world that despite all the shite and pain of the last few years, she's stood up against it, held her family together (3 DC) psychologically and financially, and wants to see her DD have a lovely wedding with the young man she loves. She's paying for it all (the ILs haven't offered up a penny despite all the bling and razzmatazz of their 'New Money' lifestyle). I don't know if the invites to the cousins were informal or written. I'm seeing my friend tonight so should get the full story.

I've just been scanning the 'What ruined your wedding day?' thread in Chat and bloody hell! It makes grim reading! Full of behaviours that should have been spanked out of people as toddlers. What IS it with some people that so many do not know how to behave? Who seem to be so stuck in arrested development that they cannot see when things Aren't All About Them. MILs do seem to be the worst culprits. Mine was a bit of a problem, but it was more that her DH and 2 DSs (inc my DH!) did tend to dance attendance to her, and she really, genuinely thought that me marrying her son meant I'd just fall into line, orbiting her as Queen Bee. She hadn't conceptualised that DH and I were going to form our own family separate to hers. Tho my mum only told me last night that the ILs had conniptions shortly before the wedding when I casually announced I might hang onto my maiden name! Grin. DH and I have been married 16 years, by the way and the PILs are no longer with us. And DH and I got married in the UK so his family had to come over from abroad thus had no say in The Wedding arrangements which were pretty much undertaken by my own mum- who did a fine job of it.

As it is, DH finally 'grew a pair' and put his own mother straight 16 months after our wedding (we were living in the same country as them at the time) when DS was 3 weeks old and leading us a merry dance. MIL invited herself to come and stay to 'help' and was worse than useless. I had a screaming baby and a flouncing, sulking MIL. So one day, she took DH into her room to tell him what a rubbish mother I was, and how 'difficult' I was (because I refused to fall into line a dutiful surrogate Daughter) etc etc- and DH, to my eternal gratitude, put her straight. Kindly, but assertively, telling her that me and DS were now His Family and she had to learn to respect the boundaries between us and them. She flounced off and we enjoyed radio silence for 3 blissful weeks. Then they called and coldly apologised and things became 'okay' with them there on in; but it took DH to Be A Man to make it happen, but sadly, the young man in question here is a) 23 or 4 (DH was 35 when we married); has the parents-from-hell; and is quite quiet and unassertive. His wife-to-be is the leader, if you like, and will be the bread-winner as she's in a professional traineeship and he's in a low paid semi-skilled job.

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Tansie · 23/05/2014 09:49

Grin the DD threatening to deck her MIL to be! My friend readily agrees that her DD can be feisty, but I don't think the MIL had any idea how inappropriate it was to bring the father into it as she doesn't know anything about what happened and how much pain the father walking out caused, especially in blaming his eldest DD for his own MH issues! An 18 year old, fgs!

The DD is a clever, well presented, articulate young woman with a promising professional future- the Red Mist must've descended for her to say that to the MIL!

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HauntedNoddyCar · 23/05/2014 09:58

The key here really does lie with the groom doesn't it. If he can be a husband and father rather than a son then it will be ok but if he will accede to his dm then the bride will be making a big mistake.

92littlecat92 · 23/05/2014 10:24

The husband to be needs to stand up to her - I spent FAR too long being treated horribly by ex's mother (a truly toxic woman) and have So much sympathy for your friend's daughter. MIL to be sounds barking.

Tansie · 23/05/2014 10:58

Yes, sadly I agree that the groom will have to sort this. I feel so sorry for him; he's a quiet, unassuming and pleasant bloke with loud, bullying, entitled parents. He's quite happy to allow his fiancée to 'wear the trousers' as it were; many long and happy marriages are based on one person being the leader, if you will, and that isn't always the DH! The arrangement suits both parties.

It's whether he can face the inevitable fallout from standing up to his parents, really. Apparently he's distraught and he probably realises what lies ahead.

What I fail to understand is his parents not seeing that they might never see their grandchildren, come the day, if they alienate their DIL. At least mine had the sense to realise that I'd not-quite 'happily' but would have refused to subject my own DCs to the toxicity of vile grandparents, if they'd chosen that path.

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emms1981 · 23/05/2014 12:42

Is it to late for them to go off with your friend and get married ?

Tansie · 23/05/2014 12:48

They could but I guess it doesn't solve 'the problem' which is the groom's parents' attitude! The wedding is in 4 weeks, incidentally.

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Staywithme · 23/05/2014 21:15

Just thought of another plus about getting married abroad. Imagine the honeymoon they could have if they didn't have a wedding at home. They will have to sit down and have a serious talk about his family. He should be made to understand SHE should be his priority and he needs to protect his marriage. Poor wee things. Sad

Birdsgottafly · 23/05/2014 22:53

""but she's been moved to say that the reason is, she thinks, that they're a Big Fat Gypsy wedding style family who want to show off the family bling at weddings held at registry offices followed by a 'do' at a pub and a punch up, as opposed to a polite 'MC' do with everyone in their finest clothes and best behaviour. ""

She obviously knows nothing about that particular culture to come out with a statement like that. "Their" weddings are in Catholic Churches, with a full Mass.

She should stick to commenting negatively and insultingly towards the family she is marrying into and not flag off another culture.

On a side note, her DH to be should of been livid over his Dad threatening her, if it was one if my DD's, he wouldn't if got near the wedding without a full apology from both of them.

expatinscotland · 23/05/2014 23:04

I don't know that I would marry a man who was so weak-willed around his scummy family.

Iflyaway · 23/05/2014 23:10

Well, you know what they say...

When you marry it, s not just about the spouse but you marry into the family too...

I, d tell them to do a runner to a registry office with their two best friends

Staywithme · 24/05/2014 11:43

""but she's been moved to say that the reason is, she thinks, that they're a Big Fat Gypsy wedding style family who want to show off the family bling at weddings held at registry offices followed by a 'do' at a pub and a punch up, as opposed to a polite 'MC' do with everyone in their finest clothes and best behaviour. ""

She obviously knows nothing about that particular culture to come out with a statement like that. "Their" weddings are in Catholic Churches, with a full Mass. "

I assume the OP was using the program of the same name to describe the the type of behaviour they find acceptable. The participants were colourful to say the least. To be honest I think it's too easy to jump on one comment that an OP makes and then she's left feeling picked on. I know what she's getting at as I see plenty of examples at a hotel near me. Big dresses, big hair, lots of drink and the fights start.

Tansie · 24/05/2014 15:30

stay -that's exactly my point! Thank you.

OK, have seen my friend and the story is a little clearer!

The groom has a slightly younger brother only, no sisters. This is 'good' in that MIL has to be careful how much she screws with her son's wedding as she won't have many, if any more to go to. She can't afford to cut one son out, as it were. This younger brother is close to his bro and the bride.

My friend says trouble has been brewing for weeks; the MIL told the bride that it was 'disgusting' that the bride's brother (17), uncle (hippy, free-spirit) and grandfather weren't sitting on 'the top table'. There is no 'top table', just another round table. None of the listed particularly want to sit on this fabled table, bearing in mind the bride's family are close and all grown up i.e. won't be the ones spoiling the day! The groom then sheepishly asked my friend to help them reorganise the seating arrangements as Mother Is Not Happy as, despite her assertion that weddings are 'all about family' her original family and her DH's were under no circumstances to sit together..... One invited family consists of mum, dad and 3 adult DC (in their 20s). They had to sit all together, side by side, no putting the 20 year olds with other 20 year olds on another table (nothing 'wrong' with any of these siblings!); 2 twins had to sit next to each other- they're 54....Uncle Soandso had to be on the same table as but not next to someone else... At one point one round table that comfortably seats 8 had 12 on it, and the next had 5, etc etc.

Anyway, to keep the peace, my friend helped with this, and thought the whole thing had blown over. She asked the groom a while later how it had gone and he said, in embarrassment 'Mum's still not at all happy, and she's furious that we've invited my cousin and wife whom we see and socialise with all the time and not another cousin I last saw when I was 6'..

Fast forward to The Big Fight. Bride and Groom went over to his parents to 'discuss' the non-sanctioned invites. Bride said to MIL 'You have to understand that this is our day, not yours, we've invited whom we want to be there, we don't want or need 'randoms'; those who are coming have been paid for (by the bride, groom and my friend, not them at all) and the room is now full' -at which point, rather weirdly, MIL suddenly starting prancing around the room, waving her arms theatrically around, saying 'Oh, welcome to makes this day all about HER!' etc. Apparently she went on for minutes! Then the bride said, well, yes, my wedding day is all about me, actually, as opposed to about you. The father didn't join in on any of this and the younger brother was trying to calm mother down. Then MIL said 'My son could do so much better than you, you know! You've changed him, since he's been with you' (note:since he was 17! You'd hope he would grown up in 7 years!); 'YOU haven't even got an intact family half of yours won't even be there' (only the bride's father isn't invited) to which the bride said, verbatim 'If you say that again, you'll regret it' (not that she'd deck her!) at which point father sprang up, frothing at the mouth and squared up to his 5'2" future DIL, and the 2 sons had to restrain him! Shock

They left with MIL shrieking after them 'We're not coming to the wedding and neither is the rest of our family!'...

As soon as they got in, the younger brother texted to say how embarrassed he was and how bang out of order his parents had been.

Anyway, 2 days later she texted her son the groom and said 'After that disgusting display the other night, I hardly want to speak to you but there's something I need to see you about' to which he replied- 'The next conversation I have with you will be your apology to me and my fiancée.'

Well done, that man.

My thinking is now that yes, she and her DH may not come to the wedding but that she seems to be unlikely to be able to prevent any other family members attending; my friend thinks she'll 'limit' herself to inviting the hoards of cousins to the evening do which is still completely unacceptable but at least won't be embarrassing etc at the church and reception; and we'll see what happens about an apology!

My friend's mates (us) who've all been invited by the bride as thanks for supporting the family through a shite few years have all begged to be allowed to sit in every other seat between his parents and difficult family members. We'd have a hoot, subtly pissing them off!

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Tansie · 24/05/2014 15:39

The other thing I'd be doing is writing to them saying 'We're sorry that you have decided not to attend our Wedding, but please understand that your decision is final and you places have already been filled by others'.

Cat/Pigeons, much? Grin

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Tansie · 28/06/2014 18:03

Update:

The wedding was last weekend and it was a triumph.

M & FIL did attend, although she with a cat's bum mouth for much of the day Grin. Her photo-smile is a rictus. Anyone not 'in the know' would not have spotted the rift. FIL is a big burly bloke who was very uncomfortable in a suit and tie and quite early on had his tie at half mast, top 2 buttons undone, waistcoat flapping, red nose complementing the sweat coursing down his bulbous visage as he mated it up with the groom (24)'s football team...

The groom, despite looking about 13, exhibited maturity and more authority than I thought he could muster. Rather impressive, coming as he does from a family like his!

Apparently MIL did 'apologise' to the bride but via a 'We will have to agree to differ' Hmm - she invited the young couple over for a meal at hers but they politely declined saying they were otherwise booked up, being so close to the wedding etc; but actually preventing any opportunity for MIL to reprise her dramatics, or the bride to retaliate!

My friend, (mother-of-the-bride), had a chat with the MIL at the wedding who said something along the lines of 'Well, it's been a rocky road, with its ups and downs to get here, but here we are'....

Indeed.

The most positive thing was that it all went really well; classy, upmarket, polite but fun.

And I looked great Grin.

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MehsMum · 28/06/2014 20:17

What a story! Glad it all went well, especially for the young couple.

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