to love regional accents

[Owllady]

And love having one myself :) ?

(Has this been done before:o)

I have the worst one too, black country ay it bab

Myrtle, that's really interesting. I have a textiles degree but had no idea

Caitlin, there is nothing wrong with rp, which I assume is what family called bbc English nor is there anything with sounding posh.

I like to hear different voices, sounds, rhythms and its nice to have a mix :)

I am also secretly pleased that there are so many of us here from Staffordshire :)

I love the Aynuk and Ali jokes. Does anyone remember the Dudley roadworks signs the council put up in bc dialect? It was years ago, so I've forgotten the details.

That is so cool, myrtle, about the football strip.

mig - I think RP is lovely. But I think for some, who do not 'naturally' speak that accent, it can be sad. My grandparents are from the generation where you did not learn Welsh because it was for poor people (!), and you learned English RP. My dad on the other side of the family is from the generation where you were told the way you'd learned to speak was wrong, and uneducated, and you learned RP. And even with me, we were told RP was better than the 'horrible' Midlands accent that was local to where I lived.

It feels a bit sad to think you've lost things that were natural to you when you were little, or natural to your parents. And I do believe that this is important.

Is this one?
submitresponse.co.uk/weblog/2003/01/27/the-black-country/

It was not, but that looks great too.

I just read the link, I forgot about fizog :o!

I didn't get the BIl accent. Neither was I criticising your accent. Caitlin

I don't like my accent because people make assumptions about the kind of person that I am.

The BIL reference that should have read as.

Re dyes, it's why Lincoln green is called Lincoln green - because they made that shade of green dye in Lincoln.

But I imagine that goes for many accents.

LRD

My Father speaks RP and I am from an RP part of the world although spent half my childhood abroad in a Spanish speaking land. Mother is from another part of the UK and never lost her accent. I use words like 'mardy' very comfortably but in my RP accent making it probably sound odd to some

So myrtle, is this to do with natural dye historically, like the dye if tweed in the borders etc?

Mardy is a fine word :)

No, I think it's a rather different thing, mig.

Your mum has her accent. The one she grew up with. Your father speaks RP.

Picking up an accent different to that of your parents because you happen to live somewhere where their accent isn't dominant, is normal.

Whereas, my family for three generations were told that the natural way they spoke sounded uneducated and unpleasant, and they were told to forget about it.

Have you BC people seen ?

C is for Council Pop
H is for Oss!

But RP is, in my opinion, an accent as much as any other. And probably gets people who speak it just as judged as mine.

While I would be considered rather thick for having a Black Country accent, I expect people who speak RP are considered stuck up or posh. Which of course is ridiculous. Every accent has it's judgements attached

Its. Not It's

myrtle - I've heard it claimed Lincoln green isn't green originally, it's actually red.

'Grain' is the name for grains of kermes (beetle) that made red dye.

Then the name attached itself to the grade of cloth used, and lost its association with red colour.

Lol at oss :o

Mig, my children don't have a bc accent either. The eldest have a long A as I said earlier, though the one has severe learning disabilities and that she can talk at all, accent or not is an achievement for her my youngest has a rural east southernaccent which seems rather elongated, slow and les rhythmic

These gems of info about dye are fascinating. Any more?

I believe scarlet also referred to a grade of cloth, not a dye.

I also heard - and this is off-topic but if you're interested in dye! - apparently, medieval inks made in Oxford, using Oxford water, have a slightly purple tint when you hold the book up to the light, so you can identify them. I assume it's minerals (Potassium?) in the water?

I know, I find it fascinating too. My dissertation at art school was wrt to tweed, particularly Harris in contemporary fashion and the wool was dyed by the surroundings, Heather, moss etc. I find these parts of history v interesting instead schools concentrate on war

There is a fascinating book by Victoria Finlay called something like journey through the paintbox which is all about how colours are made, it's well worth reading, I keep wanting to read it again.

That must have been fascinating. I agree with you, I wish we studied more of this stuff. And I wish in English we'd study more dialect.

I like accents too. I work in the next county and notice a slightly more rural accent than where I live.

I find the Norfolk accent fascinating and the Os link interesting

also the North American one say Illinois with long drawn out vowels

I hate the gangsta accent that some teenage boys put on e.g. Liam in Eastenders.

I agree too, this side of history, the small things, is fascinating. I may have ordered that book Spottie, sounds just up my street.