to be utterly fucked off that DD will not fucking sleep

[PickledLily]

That is all.

Thank you everyone for restoring my sanity last night. I was expecting a chorus of super-nanny style 'Controlled Crying'!

DD teethed up until she was 3, so it could well be teeth. But she was generally a good sleeper so easier to tell if something was actually wrong. We did seem to have a long period of calpol/calprofen most nights.

I can't bear her in with us, she doesn't actually sleep, just wriggles about kicking me in the back or flailing her arms around hitting me in the face. Or sitting up, letting in a draught, trying to stroke the cat. Fortunately after about 10 minutes I can herd her back to her own room.

I would introduce her to the happy world of Disney, then at least you can get around 90 minutes of peace.

The only thing that worked with ds.

A ps3 with Netflix for kids ( I can see what he is watching on my iPad) he is awake but being entertained at 3 in the morning thanks to the millions of kid shows.

Mine are 7 and 5 I send them to bed 7 or 8 and for the next 2 or 3 hours I'm up and down the stairs telling them to get in bed and stay there,
They swap beds, throw the duvets off, tip toys out. Last night I found them wearing a hat and gloves! Get the normal I need a wee, I want a drink, I'm hungry, I need a poo, I'm hot, I'm cold, grrrr!

Yes, I feel your pain. Mine do at least sleep once they are asleep but you would think I was asking DTS to cut off a limb rather than go to sleep with the crying and writhing in the cot. Can't do cuddling as that would upset his DTD. So they lie in their cots and he shouts, throws his cuddly out, rolls over and kicks his heels. If I leave the room he wails like a banshee. This lasts at least an hour every night. Bedtime later doesn't help. Reducing his nap means he is in tears all afternoon so not an option. He is a machine and intent on killing us...

YANBU

Currently under 16month old who will only nap longer than 20minutes on me and had never slept for more than 4hours in a row. Usually 3-4wake ups. 8+ if teething.

Co-sleeping saves my sanity but it's the hours settling her at the start of the night that have me saying 'go the fuck to sleep!'

On day I'll sleep again....

YANBU!

I have two that are crap sleepers DD 4 and DS nearly 2, I often wonder when it will end. DH got in with DD last night and DS came in with me. I am just drinking tea and snacking to try and get through the afternoon when all I want to do is sleep!

Well, I got the easy life today. I got to come into the office, sit down and drink coffee uninterrupted. DH, on the other hand, gets to look after sleep deprived little pickle all day. So I shouldn't really complain until 2am tomorrow morning

One thing that works sometimes with my non sleeping 4yo is to let her go to bed in my bed and then lift her into her own bed when I go up. She settles straight away and goes to sleep quickly on my pillow and about 90% of the time stays asleep in her own bed when I transfer her.
If I put her to bed in her own bed she ends up with me about 75% of nights.
Good luck - there is no pain like sleep deprivation!

Could you get her in bed with you and then you and DH alternate nights sneaking off to the spare room? Or is your cleavage essential

We did this for months, until ds2 sorted himself out. Knowing you'll sleep 6 hours or so every other night is wonderful if you can do it.

Maybe she is still under the weather from the bronchitis and croup.
I do know someone who was determined his DD would sleep in her own bed so he put her back in her own bed 30 - 40 times per night.
Seemed utterly mad to me, just let the child co sleep.

Take it in turns with your DH to sleep with DD whilst one of you gets a good nights rest in the spare room.

Your DD sounds like my DD3 where napping goes too. Or non-napping. She never slept for more than 20 to 30 mins even as a newborn.

When she was between 3 and 4 she started showing signs of severe hay fever, and I started to suspect she always had some problem with an unidentified allergy or allergies that had interfered with her sleeping. I used children's Clarityn for her hay fever.

However it may not be that. Even when she started sleeping all night (after age 3 this became reliable) she used to talk a lot in her sleep and then she started sleepwalking around 7 or so. She still sleepwalks and chats away, at 15. So she may have always had some weird brain activity going on.

YANBU, DD is 4 and has slept through since she was about 2, but for sme reason has decided she wants to get up every night about 4 am, for about 3 weeks now. I thought we were past the no sleeping

No, you absolutely ANBU! My DD is nearly 8 and has had sleeping issues forever. There was a period of about 2 years when I was on my knees, up and down about 8-10 times a night. Then we got a bit of an improvement ( funny how twice a night seems like nothing!) . We have hit rock bottom again, and I have had to use the sedative prescribed by the GP to give me and DH a break for a couple of nights.

Good luck, it is really hard and many people don't/ can't understand.

If they love co-sleeping and you don't how about their cot right night to the bed or when they are older a mattress on the floor???

My appalling sleeper had too much adrenalin due to retain moro reflex, got that sorted and the sleep was fantastic after than.

Yanbu... She's been feeding for 4 hours now I've had enough!

I find myself getting so furious about this. DS 19mo has just flaked out but we have had a day of sleep refusal. He should have napped about 11.30am and i tried everything to get him to go. He eventually passed out at 4pm. Then he wouldn't wake till 6pm and of course has been full of beans all night. DH was on his knees from a business trip and early/late meetings so i sent him off to bed at 9pm. DS has then screached the house down, wanting daddy and banging on the bedroom door) he found a can of beer in a kitchen cupboard and threw it across the room and it exploded so now our rug/lounge/diner/kitchen stinks of fucking beer. He found this hilarious and was running around in the puddles of beer shouting 'wet' and 'mess'. (we have a small flat with a main lounge/kitchen/diner room and a bedroom and bathroom off this which means it' very hard to cordon off areas to him)

I have to cuddle him to sleep every night for about an hour (usually between 10-11pm) and he has to be able to touch/play with my hair. He twists my hair round and round his finger till its really tightly knotted and hairs are being ripped out. his finger nails drawing circles on my scalp and forehead which is red raw.

He co sleeps as he wont sleep alone. We are going on holiday next week and i just know it's going to be fucking miserable. we will have 2 single beds pushed together and a cot in the apartment. I don't know how i'm going to get him to sleep. I'm now really dreading it.

You definitely have my sympathy OP. I am personally feeling at the end of my tether with DSs sleeping now. I don't want to, but after the holiday i may have to do controlled crying. We have also got a referral for a paediatrician.

I'm off to bed now really frigging grumpy. i will have to shampoo the rug and mop all the floors in the morning to get the smell of stale beer out

feeling your pain.

ds1 is 8 months and cutting his top 2 teeth. All this week he has only settled if I have in some way been in physical contact.

He normally self settles without to much of a problem.
This week I am losing my mind.

Oh mrskoala, that is miserable. You may find that a change if scene and fresh air on holiday wears him out

last night, i gave her Calpol before bed and she settled herself in her cot First time ever. WTF is that all about?! It took nearly an hour, with her talking to her dolls. But i can't believe it. Of course she still woke later and ended up in with us. But for one night I'll let her off!

It's got me wondering if it's part teeth and part having changed class at nursery, where she doesn't have a key worker at the moment due to a few staff changes. I thought she was settled at nursery, but maybe not. Who knows. Maybe just another excuse for her!!

hope you all got a better night's sleep last night.