WTF? "Half of all uncircumcised males will, over the course of their lifetime, develop some kind of medical issue related to their foreskin."

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Question as a Brit in the USA. I just read this news article on the never-ending debate (in the USA at least) of whether it's better to circumcise male babies. Some paper just issued by the Mayo Clinic concluded that the benefits out weigh the risks 100-1 and it would be unethical to not circumcise a male baby just it it would be if you don't get immunizations for your child. WTF?

I know that circumcising can help reduce STD transmissions - but hey, just use a condom! What I can't believe is that "50% of non-circumcised males have medical issues with their foreskins." That would make 50% of most of the male population of Europe having foreskin issues at some point. Can this be right? I tend to think it's just American prejudice against foreskins after decades of snipping. I'm TTC and if I do and we have a boy, no way am I snipping the poor thing.

Here's the article:
jezebel.com/circumcision-rates-decline-in-the-u-s-1557539810

NoArmani the link you posted is to a well known intactivist (anti-circumcision) website. The Bollinger study they quote is very biased and relies on seriously flawed data - this review explains why circumcisionnews.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/fatally-flawed-bollingers-circumcision.html

Justawater, did you just accidentally invoke Godwin's law's law? :o

The foreskin has no purpose neither does the appendix.
Ah, that one again.
It's generally accepted that in earlier primates it was used to digest their diet of rough plant material. In modern man it is redundant and gradually evolving away - unlike the foreskin.

And here's a report from Johns Hopkins doctors explaining the health care costs of declining circumcision rate www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/declining_rates_of_us_infant_male_circumcision_could_add_billions_to_health_care_costs_experts_warn

Should we also chop our hands off because 90% of us will have problems with our hands in a lifetime?

Jesus.

Thanks for posting OP

Or to put it another way:
decliningratesofusinfantmalecircumcisioncouldremovebillionsfromhealthprofessionals_incomes

The appendix is not evolving away. That would only happen if we killed all people with average or larger appendices, or selectively bred only from people with smaller than average appendices.

Sally, this makes no sense. If the Johns Hopkins study is right, and one genuinely believes that doctors are only motivated by money, then surely their vested interest would be to let the circumcision rate decline, and make a lot more money treating the resulting diseases?

No piglet, that would be selective breeding, not evolution.

Evolution will eventually remove the appendix because some of those with an appendix will die from appendicitis, and those without will not. Of course, modern medicine is slowing down this process in developed countries because appendicitis can be successfully treated.

No primafacie quite the contrary.
If they stop the operations there will be very few resulting diseases with healthy uncircumcised penises. We know that is the case in Europe.
People will find that the scare stories about diseases are wrong. They will lose the guaranteed income stream from mutilating babies.

Do you have any data to back this up, Sally? Or is this just a statement of your personal opinion?

As a gentleman I've known precisely three people who've gad trouble with their tommy hat. A tiny fraction of those with a healthy bell sheath.

It is not gradually evolving away and many people especially children require emergency care when it becomes a threat.

And in one of those cases they threw away the best bit.

elahrairahforprimeminister same thing happened to my STBX! He went on a long haul flight 5 days after circumcision (against medical advice) and his penis practically exploded mid-air!

Ooooo, wow!

My ex was just standing up or something. Was weird. I heard this 'splut' sound and he looked up in horror and said, "el-aharairah, (not my real name) I'm fucked!"

And indeed he was!

People don't usually believe me. They think I'm a bitter ex making up explody-cock stories! I'm really not!

It sounds horrible to be honest. Am I allowed to ask what happened afterwards elah repair wise I mean?

Primafacie,
In some European countries the rate of circumcision is extremely low. If the US scare stories were true there would be wave of disease amongst men in these countries and calls from a programme of circumcision to correct it.
In the UK the NHS has no experience of such diseases and recommends against the circumcision.
Is that enough evidence for you?

Am I allowed to ask what happened afterwards elah repair wise I mean?

Repair wise?

Well, it was accompanied by an agonising pain in the stomach (proper pain, he could barely stand) so 999 were called.

Antibiotics through a drip. Some poor nurse had to bandage the 'wound'.

It did heal. Had some very weird scarring though and kind of bent oddly when erect.

At the time it looked like a bullet wound (know from films, not seen a real one).

many people especially children require emergency care when it becomes a threat.
As I said, medical care is (quite rightly for the sake of those little ones) interfering with the natural process of evolution which would have condemned them to an early death.

Sally I think you and I are talking at cross purposes. I'm not actually in favour of it . .ouch elah sounds painful.

NHS Advice If the NHS recommends no circumcision unless medically required that suggests to me that not circumcising is the low cost option.

Of the men I would know about such thing only DB2 had what my mother described as a 'little boys problem'. So nowhere near 50%.

The HIV story is clearly wrong, HIV spreadinto the west via America, a land of circumcised men.

Sally, no it's not evidence at all. These are your suppositions - do you actually know about the epistemology of HPV, prostate cancer, herpes around Europe? To quote Nick Farage (joke intended), you can't just make stuff up to win the point.

I suspect the need to circumcise make babies in the US is to make someone money.

Male not make.

elahrairahforprimeminister - explody cock stories - hah! I have pictures. (Originally taken if he had to sue the NHS but as he got on the flight against medical advice good luck with that . . . )

Stbx nearly died. Kinda wish he had . . .