To think that ALL smoking (cigarettes and e-cigs) should be banned in public places?!

[babybearsmummy]

I've been sat in my GP waiting room with my little girl waiting for my appt and in walks a lady puffing away on an e-cig. She hasn't put it away and is just sat smoking it.

AIBU to think this is rude and that, just because it's not an actual cigarette, the same rules should apply, mainly because it's stinking the whole waiting room out!?!

YABU

No harm to you at all.

I can't make you out cigarettes. Why would you feel sad for someone who has swapped from something that in all likelihood will kill them to something that in all likelihood is harmless?

If you can't sit for an appointment with out puffing on a ecig/fag

Can they not wait a short while to they get out?

Both completely missing the point. Why should they wait? It would make as much or as little sense to say "why must they use an e-cig outside. Why can't they wait until they get inside"

The only reason is that you have a hangup about it and that's between you and your therapist.

YABU

And what a lot of bollocks it is as well.

gin your preaching to the converted. If you'd bothered to read my earlier posts you will see I also vape.

AND you don't know if you will die from a vapour related disease as they are NOT regulated properly and inhaling oil in to our lungs can not be healthy in the long run.

You still inhale nicotine and you still inhale foreign substances in to your body.

Years ago smoking was encouraged in hospital to settle nerves and relaxation so your GP recommendation is a bit meh!

plenty you can not say that it's harmless. There has not been enough testing or regulations put in place. I vape myself but it's laughable when people claim to be a non smoker or that they are healthy!

I've smoked for 40 years, I now vape and wouldn't go back to cigarettes.

back it's still considered anti-social. That's why they getting banned in public places/transport

only I feel the same. I would like to think I wouldn't either, but you don't know. I gave up for a year while pregnant and started again soon after dd was born. My family couldn't believe it. But at the end of the day, I enjoyed it too much.

Do yo know what pisses me off, it's ALWAYS the bloody 'never smoked a fag in my life' brigade who want to know, what's in it? How much does it cost you? Do you still smoke then? Where do you buy it? How do you charge it? How long does it last? Feck off! I have no problem giving smokers the ins and outs but I'm sick of getting the third degree from people who've never so much as had a silk cut.

Cigarettesandsmirnoff it's only anti-social in that it makes some people unhappy. We need to look at why it makes them unhappy and get them help.

I don't use them, but I'm thinking of starting so I can sit in my GPs waiting room or stand at bus stops annoying the hell out of the anti-smoking loons.

E-cigarettes have nicotine in them. There has not been enough study in the effects of the mist/vapour on people. They're also highly addictive.

New York has voted to ban them from public places, just like regular cigarettes. I'm okay with that.

Was it me, and did you start coughing ridiculously?

I would ban strong perfume over ecigs any day. As someone has already said, strong perfume gives me a headache. How do some people not realise how strongly they smell, do their friends, family, companions not ever mention how cloying it is to try to breathe next to someone smelly strogly of perfume?

Vape vapour doesn't affect me, therefore I don't object; strong perfume can trigger a painful migraine I wish my objections held some sway.

I think as an aid to stopping smoking E Cigs are brilliant.

I am one of the 'never smoked' brigade, but frustratingly have lived/mixed with smokers and my middle DD is using one at the moment. She is only 18 and I'm made up she isn't smoking, but now DD isn't stinking my house out, my dog (or rather me) is going to get more grief over the mess she makes.

I think it helps as a means to stopping E Vaping if the usage is banned in some places, it isn't a co-incidence that the tobacco companies have shares, or control the better E cig products.

It's the next legal addiction.

My DD had to attend the hospital last night and I told her to Vape in the toilet, she was in pain, it helped her not to get more stressed. The vapour doesn't smell and is gone as soon as she left the toilet.

When you warn your teen that if they smoke it will take their income, they will be addicted etc, they now have an easy answer and the research isn't there yet, to know what the effect in health is for the individual and we all worry about the health of our children.

My eldest DD is going to try an E Cig because they are having problems ttc and need a lifestyle clean up.

I think Men look ridiculous puffing on an E Cig (i like Alpha/Macho Men) but that's a different issue (for me, less Eye Candy).

I don't think that, if possible you should Vape everywhere, but I don't think that you should eat smelly crisps etc everywhere either.

Unfortunately we encounter lots of people every day who have different standards to ourselves, the weathers been warmer, here Up North and I'm already noticing that people hygiene standards could be better.

But the latest research shows that a lot of the Cancers we are suffering from is because of many lifestyle factors including diet, so really, it's the eating of processed foods that should be banned in Surgery's, Hospitals etc.

Unless there is a public health reason, with research findings to back it up, nothing should be banned.

If bans exist for anti social reasons then E Cigs would be way down the list and people would be hosed down and sprayed with anti perspiration on arrival.

Because contary to what you believe, you do smell if you don't wash, but that is a different thread that is done to death.

Yes that was long, but I can't sleep, so I don't care.

There is lots of evidence that inhaling oil is very bad for you, luckily there is no oil in e liquid.

My DH has one and it does have a smell. It smells nothing like a cigarette an he has the tobacco flavour one. It smells for a split second and unless we were sat in a box together it wouldn't have chance to be overpowering. Unlike the perfume or aftershave of some people I've met which smell far worse.

You can't ban something just because you don't like the smell. I can't stand heavy floral perfume, it makes me feel sick and gives me a headache, but I can't stop people wearing it in public.

If everything that had an offensive odour to one person was banned in public then nothing would be allowed to have a scent including people which would be ridiculous and impossible to enforce.

I'm with the posters who said that those who object to e-vaping are miffed because their desire to control is curtailed because there is no reason to ban e-cigs.

They're gutted that they can't control others. Their one reason to feel smug and superior has abated. If people really cared about the health of others. they'd be absolutely delighted that the person had started 'vaping' instead of smoking.

I dare say they'll try to ban them on account of some nonsense about it leading to smoking.

Well perhaps eating a snickers bar everyday leads to nude bathing but we don't ban things because they possibly might lead to something else-that would be absurd.

Thank you for that supportive post Birdsgottafly - it really means a lot when non- and never- smokers show they understand vaping.

There's one statement I would correct you on though - it isn't a co-incidence that the tobacco companies have shares, or control the better E cig products. The tobacco companies may produce the best known, most advertised brands of e-cigarette but in my opinion (and apparently the view of most long term vapers) their products are definitely NOT "better".

Tobacco companies mostly make cigalike products, the ones the same size, shape and even usually colouring of real cigarettes, which have been designed to mimic cigarettes as closely as possible. They also happen to be the most expensive way of vaping, as they need to use special disposable cartridges. Most long term vapers tend to use a battery and "tank" system, where they can refill the tank with bought fluids or even those they have blended themselves. Not only is this cheaper for the vaper, but much greener as they aren't throwing away the cartridge every day or so; the vaping experience is also much better with a battery and tank system. It may surprise no-one to hear that tobacco companies are pushing hard for controls that will ban all vaping products except cigalike ones (that they make).

Cigarettes - plenty you can not say that it's harmless.

No, that's why I carefully said, 'in all likelihood is harmless' (as opposed to continuing smoking which would 'in all likelihood' kill me).

You can't say anything is harmless, all you can do is look for evidence of harm and either find it or not find it. There is a growing pile of studies, all finding no evidence of harm. We don't have longitudinal studies (although we do for constituent ingredients) - we will never get longitudinal studies unless lots of people use them for a long time.

Good overviews of research to date can be found here and here (you can access the full text for free if you create an account).

I doubt you will read either of these though because this - ... and inhaling oil in to our lungs can not be healthy in the long run. - tells me that you haven't bothered to find out the first thing about ecigs! I'm amazed you would inhale something without having a clue what's in it

I still think there's a time and place for them. I went in to a business on the weekend and the staff member had one hanging out of their mouth. It looked pretty awful, but it would have looked just as bad if they were chewing gum, or sucking on a pencil while they were serving me.

A bit of a tangent, but do people really take up ecigs if they aren't ex-smokers or trying to give up? I thought it was just people who had already got addicted to nicotine who used them (like DH) as they don't smell of smoke, so are therefore less unacceptable...

DH only uses his indoors at home. Still goes outside with the smokers at work, in restaurants, goes without for 2-3hrs in cinemas etc, as he doesn't want to upset anyone or deal with the hassle of explaining that it's not a cigarette or a new type of bong, the 'smoke' is just scented water vapour etc etc... He mixes his own fluid and had to pick the one flavour (vanilla) that I really don't like, sod's law I've noticed a surprising number of people using them in the last few months but I've never come across one that smells anything like a real cigarette...

I'd rather people were banned from public places TBH - that'd sort all the problems out!

It's fast becoming clear that, despite what people say, it's not about the smell, health risks, cost etc. of smoking - it's about the fact that someone is doing something they enjoy in public and miserable buggers don't like it!!

plenty stop trying to kid yourself. I can find plenty of links with negatives about e-cigs too!

Are you sure there is no oil in e-cigs? Or are you being pedantic .... Maybe I should have said....

Acetaldehyde (MS)
Benzene (SS)
Cadmium (MS)
Formaldehyde (MS,SS)
Isoprene (SS)
Lead (MS)
Nickel (MS)
Nicotine (MS, SS)
N-Nitrosonornicotine (MS, SS)
Toluene (MS, SS)

^^^^ I'll add on to that, anti-freeze, tin, silver ect... All these CAN NOT be healthy to our lungs!

Do you use the same vape? Have you always used the same vape ? Did you meticulously research every chemical they state was present n that vape ? Because I'm amazed that you think you do and it healthy

How can you be sure? They are NOT regulated so consumers do not know if what's in them is even what they say is, never mind the long term risks! Look at the horse meat scandal of a rep company. They could be substituting for a cheaper alternative , which is dam well scary.

Delusional a best plenty

Do not kid my self I'm being healthy by vaping, I purely do it as I don't want the smoke fumes on my clothes or near dd..

Plenty don't bother to respond to Cigarettesandsmirnoff - whatever any of us say she/he is clearly never going to believe anything that suggests that e-cigs are in any way less harmful than real cigs. She/he will drag up all and any anti type scare stories and quote these ad nauseum, without supplying links which could show either the scaremongering nature of the "research" (more likely conjecture), or anything that might indicate that e-cigas aren't actually going to wipe out the entire population of the known world.
In return, she/he will automatically cry "bullshit" to anything we may say, again without any evidence to refute our statements even when we have provided links.

I would like to see e-cigs allowed everywhere as an incentive to encourage smokers to switch. I would rather sit in a pub with 10 people chugging away on an e cig than having to walk the gauntlet of smokers hanging around the doors.