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Betrayal of trust?

42 replies

confuzzledman · 13/02/2014 12:52

First, apologies for the length of this, but I want to make sure the whole story is here. I'm a 37 year old man. I've been with my partner for around 7 years and we have two children, 2 and 4. During their early years, my partner didn't get out much. So when she was finally able to go out dancing (she always loved ballroom and latin etc) I was fully supportive. She started going to local classes on Monday and Thursday evenings. After a while, she started attending social dances on a Friday night which ran from around 10pm until 12:45am. Again, I was fully supportive.

One night roughly last November, she was a bit late back (it was nearly 1.30am) so I called her phone. She informed me she was on a road not too far away. She got home and just as I was almost asleep and half in a dream state, the thought entered my head that she wouldn't go on that road to get back. So I innocently asked if she gave someone a lift home. She instantly went very defensive, which of cause caused me to be suspicious. I mentioned it the next day, but not much more was said.

A couple of weeks later on a Sunday, I walked in to our bedroom and she rather abruptly put her phone down (it was charging) and hovvered arround until I left the room. A little while later we were both downstairs, and I went up again to do something. She quietly followed me, peered around the door and watched me until I'd left the room. I obviously found this behaviour odd. So one day I got one of her phone bills (she didn't hide them) and checked, and she'd been texting her dance instructor, sometimes at late hours, sometimes several times a day. I questioned her about this and she insisted it was friendly, and the late hours were just to check she'd got home ok. The times seemed to agree with this and she did reluctantly let me see some of the texts. There was nothing odd in them.

So we agreed that she would be more open about her communications with him and we moved on.

Shortly after new year, she was late back again one Friday night and was again defensive about it. Given what we'd agreed and the previous suspicious behaviour, I got someone to follow her the following Friday.
She left the dance place with her instructor at 12:30am and sat in the car until 1:15am in a very dark place. I had them recorded. She was cold and he was holiding her hand. Most of the time the conversation was friendly, but there were a couple of parts I didn't like.

First, talking about dancing, the converstation turned to her being nervious around him. When he asked why, she replied twice "you have no idea of the effect you have on me". This was in a very soft flirty voice. A short while later, referring to him warming her hand up, she said something like "you're like an electric blanket. I wish you could warm all of me up" followed slightly later by her saying "I'd better not get any closer or I can't be held responsible for my actions."

I didn't let her know I'd heard all this. I'm not proud of having them recorded but given the result, I'm glad I did.

The next day, I didn't tell her I knew but asked her about her evening and why she was so late back. She lied, saying it finished at 12:45am, she left and 1 and came straight home. I told her that I knew someone else who had gone and she'd seem them leave together at 12:30, so where had they been. Only then (and getting cross) did she admit she'd chatted in the car to him. I asked if they'd held hands... "No". Did you flirt? "No, not at all". How long were you there for? "Around 10 minutes or so"... etc... basically all lies until I told her about the recording. An argument followed.

Over a few days, she finally admitted that if it was the other way around, she'd be furious at me, and that she shouldn't have acted in that way. I told her I didn't want her going to the classes with him, or to the social at all while I tried to rebuild the trust. For both of us.

Recently, she's had some tough news about a family member, and to help her release I started to agree (reluctantly) to her going back to the classes again. Last weekend, I was away from Friday night until Sunday evening. I told her I was nervous about it, but she could go on Friday and I wouldn't mind.

She didn't go on Friday night. However, on my return I found that she'd texted him over the weekend. I don't know exactly what was in the text because she'd deleted them, but the phone still showed that something had been sent to him. I questioned it and she told me that she decided she didn't want to go Friday night if he wasn't there. We argued again because I pointed out that she shouldn't care whether he is there or not, and I didn't want her contacting him. She said she doesn't see anything wrong with what she did, but obviously she knew I wouldn't like it or she wouldn't have tried to cover her tracks.

I got in touch with him and found out that she'd texted him Friday night and when he didn't respond she tried to text and call on Saturday.

I asked her this morning why she'd tried to contact him on Saturday and she denied she had, saying it was only Friday to find out if he was going. Again, another lie.

Now, let me stress, I don't think anything physical (other than the dancing) has happened between them, but the lies and cover ups and the car thing are enough for me. So I've told her I don't want her going to any classes or social events where he will be.

She says I'm being controlling (to be honest, before we had kids I probably was quite controlling, but then so is she and I've not been of late) I don't think I'm being at all unfair. I've talked about this with 2 close friends and they both think I've been much clamer and more forgiving than they would have been.

She genuinely seems to think I'm overreacting though - so I want to see what others think. I've tried to tell this as honestly as I can, and while it's my "side of the story" I've tried to remain factual.

I've offered a final ultimatum - stop seeing him or I leave. Am I being unreasonable.

OP posts:
TwittyMcTwitterson · 13/02/2014 19:35

Definitely not being unreasonable.

Allowing her back shows you trust her and frankly, I certainly wouldn't have done that.

It is my opinion that she knows physical cheating is wrong but she is emotionally cheating but persuading herself everything is ok because nothing sexual has happened. This ultimatum is perfectly fair and exactly what I would do.

But it's still unreasonable to record her etc though I see why you'd mind would go there

Funnyfoot · 13/02/2014 19:47

YANBU.
You had her followed because she lied to you on numerous occasions and could not be honest about her whereabouts or who she was with. Had she been open with you, you wouldn't have any reason to suspect any infidelity.
In regards to those who say she was only chatting in a car nothing wrong there. It was after midnight. On a dark road. They were holding hands. And being very flirtatious. I am married and would never dream of doing any of those things with somebody other than my husband. If it was all so innocent why didn't she invite him back and have a coffee with her DH?

Stick by your ultimatum OP.

WhoNickedMyName · 13/02/2014 19:49

She sounds like she's desperate for some kind of affair with him, he on the other hand doesn't sound that keen imo.

And fwiw, on the relationships board, if you post there for advice and there's even the whiff of an affair the advice given is always check their phone, hack into their emails and Facebook, rifle thru pockets for receipts, basically just snoop and sneak about as much as you can until you find proof.

I think you should give her an ultimatum - come to counselling while we see if we can work this out, or it's over.

maras2 · 13/02/2014 20:04

She's cheating and you're a mug. Stop with the private eye stuff and just leave. Have some self respect FGS.

FRambridge · 14/02/2014 12:02

I don't envy your situation OP! It must be horrible for you.

I'm not you but personally in this situation, if I thought the relationship was worth saving I'd seek counselling.

However if the love was lost (sounds like it isn't tho from your point of view) and the only reason to stay was the kids, I'd try and make an amicable split and keep the distress down to a minimum. Seems to me like your DP is either craving attention/excitement that you/her life is not providing for her (I'm not saying her actions are justified, I'm just giving you another perspective) and she feels the need to flirt, or she has fallen out of love with you.

I think YABU to have her followed but I don't think you would BU to tell her that if she doesn't want a life with you then to leave. Seems the only fair thing to do

LaurieFairyCake · 14/02/2014 12:11

Well very simply she's trying to fuck him and if you view that as cheating if you're currently in a monogamous relationship then you have a choice to leave.

If my husband was trying this hard to fuck someone else I wouldn't be with him.

Finola1step · 14/02/2014 12:44

I agree that nothing physical may actually have happened with this man. But your wife clearly wants more. Sounds like she is somewhat infatuated with him. He on the other hand, doesn't seem interested as he would have taken her up on the offer long ago if he was. He is probably just enjoying the attention and the paid work!

I think you have given her the wrong ultimatum. Tell her to leave for a while. Let her go and stay in a cheap hotel without the home comforts and most importantly, without her children. It should give her an insight into what her life might be like if she doesn't giver herself a good shake.

If that means she acts upon her feelings with this man, then best you know now.

Dahlen · 14/02/2014 12:54

YANBU to consider her behaviour a betrayal of trust. I wouldn't tolerate what she's done, but it's her lying and indignation that would bother me more than the flirting because at this stage it sounds as though she hasn't yet crossed the line into an actual physical affair. At this stage it's emotional only but with clear signals from her to him that she would like to take it further. Not acknowledging the effect that has on your feelings and her relationship with you an would be the dealbreaker for me.

However, TBH your relationships sounds unhealthy in general. All this talk of controlling behaviours doesn't sit right with me. When you say you were fully supportive, is that really true? In this case your wife is on the verge of an affair and your suspicions are warranted, but have you accused her/checked up on her in the past whenever she's done anything for herself that isn't related to you or your DC? Sometimes, people who are viewed with suspicion end up living up to those suspicions because they get tired of it, especially in controlling relationships where sometimes a so-called exit-affair is the get-out clause of choice.

But in the right here right now, YANB at all U to be upset and angry about her behaviour.

confuzzledman · 14/02/2014 16:15

Dahlen - I was supportive in that I encouraged her to go, often paid for it if she had forgotten to get money out, and generally was enthusiastic and happy that she was finally doing something for herself after devoting so much of her time to raising our children - Brilliantly, I should add.

Prior to that, I haven't been even the remotest bit suspicious of her with anyone since right back at the beginning of our relationship when she met up with her ex once, but that was completely different. I've not done the following/recording thing before, no. I've never felt the need to.

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CouldDoWithABrew · 14/02/2014 16:20

Confuzzled I take it you both haven't reached an agreement on the ultimatum you gave her? And that you are still very much together?

I know of a couple whose lives got in a bit of a rut. The gf in this couple took up Salsa dancing and was actively encouraged to go by her partner. In short she met another guy there who had 'a flash car, was a perfect gent, wore nice clothes' etc. She got engaged to her fella then left him two weeks later for the bloke she met at Salsa dancing.

I don't wish to put a dampener on things but these occurrences do happen.

confuzzledman · 03/06/2014 12:15

Quick update... We kind of reached an agreement where she would limit contact with him. She continued to go to his classes but would come straight home. Eventually, I agreed that I wouldn't object to her going on a Friday night again, as long as someone else was with her so I didn't have it in the back of my mind that she would be sneaking off with him again.

However, recently she admitted texting him again to ask if he would be going etc. I'd always maintained that I wouldn't feel comfortable with her texting and making the dancing all about him etc.

So now we're back at square one. For the sake of the kids, I don't think it would have been unreasonable to expect her to continue dancing, but just avoid this one guy. However, she clearly isn't prepared to make this compromise. It's all very sad.

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twizzleship · 03/06/2014 20:49

sounds to me like she's playing games with you, the whole 'i'll agree for now to keep the peace but soon as the dust has settled and some time has passed i will carry on as before regardless of what was agreed'. That doesn't sound like a considerate or trustworthy partner. it sounds like she's got a massive crush on this guy and is possibly hankering after taking it further...he may/may not feel the same but she definitely wants/cares about him to the point that she doesn't care how you feel or what you both agreed on.

if this were happening to me...i'd be forced to accept that she was going to do exactly as she pleased (afterall you can't physically force her not to go or contact him), but i would get my Inspector Frost hat on and spy/snoop/record away...and keep the evidence - you may well need it when you split up.

i don't like saying any of this but if my man behaved like she is i would be feeling like they don't love me and don't want to be in a relationship with me...that they were happy and willing to cheat on me and get their fun elsewhere. i don't see this kind of 'relationship' lasting long so protect yourself NOW.

mommy2ash · 03/06/2014 21:10

i think there are deeper issues here and keeping her away from that man in particular won't solve them. i think you to enter relationship counselling together to find out why she feels her behaviour is acceptable and what has gone wrong in the relationship for it to lead up to this. if you can't identify a problem it could just be a personality flaw within herself and if that is the case you won't be able to trust her again as she will continue to put her wants above your relationship.

has she even shown any remorse for what has happened? it is essentially an emotional affair. i don't think you are being unreasonable to not want to be cheated on.

Meh84 · 03/06/2014 21:14

LTB!

SaucyJack · 03/06/2014 21:32

I don't think it matters how many classes she goes to, or who she goes with.

The simple fact is she wants to have sex with somebody else more than she wants your marriage to work out.

Tell her to leave.

GoblinLittleOwl · 04/06/2014 10:24

Sorry, but your posts give me the creeps. Seriously. Perhaps it's because I have been reading Othello.

noddyboulder · 04/06/2014 10:43

Seriously, OP - I think you should move this to the relationships board where you will get a fairer hearing, rather than everyone jumping at you because you'd had enough of living with uncertainty and resorted to desperate behaviour (the following) - and god forbid, mentioned the c-word, even though it sounds like the two of you are fairly even. If anyone thinks that the following in these circumstances is a crime against humanity then clearly they haven't ever had to live with the suspicion someone is making a fool of them. It eats away at you and you feel like you are going mad - you'd do anything to know why your spouse is behaving oddly, for the sake of your sanity. So some of us will understand.

Clearly, your wife is not committed to your relationship and is taking you for a mug. If she was serious about saving your family - because this is what is at stake here - then she would listen to you and ditch this man. She'd move to another class or dance group and avoid him so she could nip this infatuation in the bud. Instead, she is still insisting on seeing him, which is hugely disrespectful to you and your children. To be blunt, she wants to screw him, but he isn't as keen.

Is he married? Does his wife know about all this? Probably worth finding out. Can you confront the dance instructor and calmly say "I know you and my wife are on the verge of an affair - for the sake of me and my children, stop this." Once it is out in the open it won't have the same attraction anymore.

As for her, ask her to leave. When people are in the grip of an affair, the only way to get through to them is to bluntly show them what they are losing. A few nights in a travelodge or on a friends sofa (and answering the 'why did he chuck you out' question) on a single income and without their kids works wonders in focusing the mind. She ought to feel ashamed, but instead she is trying to have her cake and eat it - with you, sitting at home doing the childcare and helping with the chores while she pretends to be single, hinting she's like to screw some bloke. Don't just sit there hoping she'll come back - get angry, confront her behaviour and show her the door.

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