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to congratulate Tristram Hunt for crossing the picket line

156 replies

longfingernails · 11/02/2014 22:43

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tom-watson-hits-out-at-scab-tristram-hunt-for-crossing-picket-line-to-give-marx-lecture-9121775.html

Shame about his lecture material...

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ilovesooty · 12/02/2014 10:22

Such strength of your convictions that you hide behind a nc?

dawntigga · 12/02/2014 10:23
Biscuit

ODFODSuccinctTiggaxx

Dawndonnaagain · 12/02/2014 10:26

No-one cares if a bunch of lecturers don't turn up, or if the London tubes stop for a couple of days...
No, you don't care, your sentence structure clearly demonstrates...

BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 10:33

A union wont strike on action that the majority don't want, legally they aren't allowed to. FGS if you are going to try and sound informed at least use some actual facts. Please show me an example of a strike exclusively for men's pay rises if you disagree.

Also, the main issue for my union at the moment is ensuring that workers mental health is cared for and maternity discrimination is tackled. So unions work on a variety of issues.

Also, when students are affected, this is an unavoidable consequence, but one unfortunately which justifies the means. The services a uni or college can offer if its staff are affected would be far lower if the strike wasn't to go ahead.

Strikes should absolutely be the last form of action. As a trade unionist, strikes are the last resort. Negotiation, cooperation and consensus working is something which happens everyday, but you never ever get to see it. Particularly in the media.

Last year there were 60,000 people who marched in a demonstration in Manchester against the service changes in the English NHS. It wasn't even reported on the news. Yet if 1 of the top bankers received a cut to his bonus (its nearly always a man), then our news pages are stuffed full of it.

ClockWatchingLady · 12/02/2014 10:37

BumpNGrind, it's a theoretical scenario, designed to try to help us work out more precisely what the issue is with crossing a picket line Hmm.

Does it need to be spelled out further??

BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 10:39

CommiePinkos All of the jobs that you mentioned are unionised. There have been strikes in those industries as well.

People absolutely care if lecturers cant work, they play a vital role in our society.

Lets not go down the route of pitching one group of workers against another.

BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 10:45

Clockeatching, you cant make up scenarios and then expect an answer. It doesn't work like that. What do you want me to say, a theoretical yes or a theoretical no?

If you are in a union, you ARE the union, you chose what issues to fight for and you ballot on that. Unless you've done that then i cant respond.

ClockWatchingLady · 12/02/2014 10:50

Would you stand in front of a door and force it shut to stop a colleague going in and negotiating with the employer? No? That would be beyond rude and its disrespectful.

Just a little quote from upthread, Bump Grin

A great deal of this discussion is theoretical. I'm asking you to consider whether crossing a picket line per se is always wrong (as has been implied). This neccessarily requires consideration of circumstances which have not yet happened.

ClockWatchingLady · 12/02/2014 10:51

So if I tell you that I am active in a union, you can suddenly magically respond, Bump?

BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 10:59

Don't you get it? I am talking about the right to strike. You are talking about a specific theoretical strike with reasons that haven't been agreed or discussed.

The right to strike is something I support. I cant talk form an opinion on a strike that hasn't happened, or is unlikely to ever happen.

BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 11:02

Typed that a bit fast.

I can't form an opinion *

ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:16

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Fleta · 12/02/2014 11:18

The thing is BumpNGrind why when everyone defends to the hilt people's right to strike, why aren't people afforded the same courtesy if they don't wish to?

I didn't wish to strike so refused to join a union. I went into work whilst colleagues were striking. Techincally I wasn't crossing the picket line as I wasn't in the union.

ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:21

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CommmiePinkos · 12/02/2014 11:22

Such strength of your convictions that you hide behind a nc?

Guess what Einstein, none of the names on here are real!! Duh Confused

The fact that you tried to look at my previous posts reinforces my decision anyway! A girls got to have some secrets!!

ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:23

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DreamingofSummer · 12/02/2014 11:29

Her should resign, simple as that.

A decent leader would have sacked him - pity we don't have one.

ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:32

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BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 11:34

I have to go to work so will say this before I go. The University that was picketed docked the pay of those that were striking by a whole day when this was a two hour strike.

The NUS also support the action for higher pay.

Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line that Unison, unite and the EIS supported. Is he in any of those unions?

The university has docked the pay of all university employees, in real terms a cut of 13% since 2009. Whilst the Vice chancellor has had a pay rise.

Tristram Hunt doesn't do this as a full time job and could have easily rearranged the lecture. He was warned by UCU and still crossed the picket line.

He teaches history, but doesn't respect the values or the history of the party he is a member of and who pay his election fees. He should resign.

LtEveDallas · 12/02/2014 11:35

A Scab is a Union member who crosses a legal, pre-arranged Strike Picket line

Not a non-union member going to work as normal

YY This.

CatAmongThePigeons · 12/02/2014 11:37

He may not be in the union, but how much money is ploughed into the Party through political funds from unions?

ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:37

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ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:39

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ProfessorSkullyMental · 12/02/2014 11:41

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BumpNGrind · 12/02/2014 11:46

Get your own opinions before insulting people by saying they don't know what they are talking about. If your DH wants to offer his opinion then let him, you don't have to be his mouthpiece.

If Hunt is a union member he has crossed a picket line.

Does your DH have any opinions on the amount of money workers are having cut from their pay? How about the fact that the Vice Chancellor is getting a pay rise.

Go and ask your DH what you are allowed to write, I have a job to go to where I express my own opinions thank you very much.