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to think Andrew Sachs needs to get over "Sachsgate"?

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MissedSomeBullets · 08/02/2014 14:47

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2554398/Cruelty-haunt-forever-ANDREW-SACHS-reveals-story-Russell-Brand-Jonathan-Ross-humiliated-family-obscene-calls.html

Sorry Mail link.

The Sachsgate scandal happened in 2008. I didn't find it funny and thought it was immature and disgusting. However they both apologised (something which Sachs at the time seem to accept), Brand and the controller of Radio 2 resigned and Ross was suspended for 3 months without pay. There was also a fine of £150,000 from Ofcom.

Sachs received many letters of support from people including David Walliams. This also probably gave a boost to his career, as he went on to work on Coronation Street. I'm also sure his granddaughter Georgina appeared on Celebrity Big Brother.

I would never condone what happened or what was said, but punishments were put in place and there isn't really more that can be done. You can't go back and erase what happened once it's done.

So to write an article almost 6 years after it happened stating the cruelty will hurt him and his family forever I think is a tad too much now.

To quote from the article

"To be honest, the whole Brand/Ross saga remains a painful experience that we’d very much like to put behind us. But it keeps resurfacing."

So why write an article about it?

I personally haven't heard anyone speak about "Sachsgate" in a very long time. The last time I heard about it was 7/8 months ago when I read an article stating that Sachs had signed a deal to publish a book about it. So aside from Sachs talking about it himself I haven't heard this mentioned for years.

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Nancy66 · 08/02/2014 16:56

it's a direct extract from a book.

he's written a biography, he can't very well do that and not mention the Ross/Brand episode as it was a huge story.

It prob only covers a few pages in the book

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2014 16:59

Brand then went on to do a show about the whole thing, he's hardly sorry.

BuildUpMyFence · 08/02/2014 17:02

UABU, I says more about the person saying get over it then the one unable to do so, nobody has the right to tell someone to get over a trauma in their life.

Joysmum · 08/02/2014 17:02

He's milking it! I bet it's the most bankable thing that's happened to him in years and he's going to make sure he benefits as much as he can from it.

MissedSomeBullets · 08/02/2014 17:03

The BBC DID apologise

www.theguardian.com/media/2008/oct/27/russell-brand-andrew-sachs

This is The Guardian ^

Come on it's been proven that Brands, Ross and the BBC did apologise, I wish people wouldn't come on here and state things like they are facts.

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FoxesRevenge · 08/02/2014 17:04

The whole thing was blown totally out of proportion.

I suggest Sachs seeks help to get over it if need be. Preferably from a professional and not a tabloid which he seems to keep on doing.

limitedperiodonly · 08/02/2014 17:06

Is Sachs going to apologise for the appauling racial stereotype he endorsed?

He is going to talk on Monday about how playing Manuel left him horribly scarred, so maybe he might.

I read the Mail so some of the rest of you don't have to btw, but I might give that one a miss Grin

I didn't read the comments he made about his granddaughter. I'll take your word for it that they appeared awful.

The only thing I'd say that in print, or in text or the internet for that matter, comments can be interpreted in a number of ways.

But I'm willing to believe that he may think very badly, and unfairly about her. And that's not good.

But what offended me most about the whole Sachsgate thing was how badly Georgina was treated by everyone. To Ross and Brand and the Mail she was just the possession of her grandfather.

Ross and Brand thought it was fine to abuse a woman for daring to have sex. In fact, I think there's an element in taunts like that of mocking the man for not having control of 'his' woman.

An extraordinary hostage to fortune, seeing as Ross has daughters.

Brand's got form for it: warning: Mail alert

It's not just Mail outrage. I was at that awards ceremony and the coke-addled, pissed audience laughed like drains at his 'amusing' joke about 'having a go' on Kimberly Stewart.

They laughed louder when Rod Stewart stood up and all but challenged him to a fight. They scented blood. Brand cravenly backed down.

But that's because the audience was on Stewart's side because he's their kind of person.

If he'd have been Andrew Sachs or some similar old duffer, or even me, because I'm a nobody but I'd want to defend my daughter or any woman against a misogynist cunt such as Brand, they wouldn't have, and Brand would have gone in for the kill.

It was very unpleasant to be there. It's a very male event. Some of the women went along with it because they were stupid. The rest of us didn't like it but said nothing because we didn't have microphones and even if we did, we would have been abused by the weapons-grade cunts in the room.

The lessons I learned from that night is that Brand's a bully with an unpleasant view of women, but he's not stupid and will grovel like a shot if he thinks things are going badly.

So not the fearless rebel of popular legend either.

MissedSomeBullets · 08/02/2014 17:08

I says more about the person saying get over it then the one unable to do so, nobody has the right to tell someone to get over a trauma in their life

We all have pain in our life and I would never expect anyone to fully get over a trauma in their life - when I say "get over it" here, I mean stop bringing it up for personal gain when you apparently want to move on.

He's had the apologies, the people involved were punished (whether you agree or disagree with the exact punishment) , pretty much all of the public supported him when it happened (hence the 18,000 complaints). Nothing more to going to be done about it now.

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BuildUpMyFence · 08/02/2014 17:08

Someone on here always says Brand has a personality disorder, I think it is Garlicbread?

BuildUpMyFence · 08/02/2014 17:10

Why do you not want him to bring it up? It is his trauma he can do what he wants without harming others or law breaking to "get over it" maybe this will help him?

Nancy66 · 08/02/2014 17:14

Bet you anything Brand is the subject of a Bill Roache/ John Leslie type investigation one day...

BuildUpMyFence · 08/02/2014 17:17

Can we talk about Roache at the moment? I gather there is a new investigation again.

limitedperiodonly · 08/02/2014 17:20

OP, where have you missed the point that he's entitled to talk about this in his autobiography and the Mail are entitled to extract it as the most interesting part of it?

Nancy66 I whistled softly at that.

Nerfmother · 08/02/2014 17:25

Urgh Russell brand and Jonathan Ross clearly think themselves hilarious every thine they get together it's all stupid references to it. Pair of wankers.
It's an extract from a book that the DM are serialising. The DM have chosen this bit.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 08/02/2014 17:29

I agree with TheCat

All we know is what the journo's want to say, we don't actually have any idea what the man himself thinks or wants to communicate. That's just the world of journalism.

DanceParty · 08/02/2014 17:35

Extracted from I Know Nothing by Andrew Sachs, published by The Robson Press on February 20 at £20. © Andrew Sachs 2014. To order a copy for £16.99 (p&p free), call 0844 472 4157.

The DM have taken it from Andrew Sachs book which has just come out. Andrew Sachs HASN'T brought it up again.

Nanny0gg · 08/02/2014 17:38

I doubt anyone on this thread has been humiliated quite as publically as Andrew Sachs.

When they have, and been able to 'get over it', then perhaps they'll be more qualified to comment.

I don't know if being a GP gives me more empathy, but if it had been my DGD I wouldn't be getting over it at all.

Nancy66 · 08/02/2014 17:41

it's nothing to do with any journalist - it's a book extract from a book that he wrote

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 08/02/2014 17:47

I agree nanny.

MissedSomeBullets · 08/02/2014 18:15

Sachsgate has been awful for Melody and for Kate, Sachs says, but he knows that it has done him no harm. Quite the opposite. "I came out of it very well."

It has been great for you, I say. He nods. "Yes, my profile's up. Great! They did me good. Thank you very much."

Hmm .... he doesn't seem so traumatised then compared to now when his book is coming out.

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Nanny0gg · 08/02/2014 18:17

MissedSomeBullets

"Yes, my profile's up. Great! They did me good. Thank you very much."
Try reading that with sarcasm in your voice.

Panzee · 08/02/2014 18:24

They did apologise at the time, who can forget the song? :o

Sorry m.youtube.com/watch?v=avKnQTYGDPw

Panzee · 08/02/2014 18:24

Try again m.youtube.com/watch?v=avKnQTYGDPw

Fairylea · 08/02/2014 18:26

Yanbu. But then I think Russell Brand is very funny and likable. I think it just all got completely out of hand.

lemonmuffin · 08/02/2014 18:32

He might be milking it a little bit.

But you cant really blame tbh, it was a bit shitty.

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