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Trying for a new job while trying to conceive?

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CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 15:34

Following on from the thread about the Guardian columnist calling someone 'reprehensible' for not telling a new employer during an interview that she intends to conceive...

I work for a local council on a temporary contract which is due to end in a few months. Recently my dream job has come up within the organization, for internal applicants only. It is the job that I always hoped would arise within the company, and to be honest one of the reasons I took my job, in the hope that it might open the door to opportunities like this. It also happens to be a permanent contract. My boss also saw the job advert and has encouraged me to apply as she knows what my ambitions are.

So far so good. I emailed a close friend of mine, who used to work at the council doing a job closely related to the new job that has come up. So I wanted to pick her brains for help and encouragement with my application.

She was horrible about it. She has a serious chip on her shoulder about leaving her job at the council anyway, and was ranting on about that, and about how I'd hate the job, and how it's wrong that they have advertised internally as the job is too specific (implying that there's no one good enough in the existing team to take the job - thanks).

She was really trying to tell me that I'd be better off sticking with my current temp job. So I then pointed out that as I'm currently TTC (which she knows about, as I've had fertility treatment), if I got PG during my temp contract, I'd end up with no maternity leave when my contract ended, and little chance of getting back into a job. A permanent contract would be a godsend, regardless of the fact that it's also my dream job.

So she started telling me that I'd get no maternity leave if I changed job now (which isn't true, but I had given up arguing by then), and that I'd really be leaving my new boss up shit creek if I got pregnant just after taking the new job.

I said "Well I'm not pregnant, and I haven't got the job yet. If I had either of those I'd be happy"

I've been trying for nearly a year, we have had fertility issues. If I were lucky enough to fall pregnant, I would be so over the moon I don't think I'd really care about the council. They would employ someone to do the mat cover, it would give someone else a good opportunity to get experience... and I'd still have my dream job to go back to at the end.

But it really made me worry that she might say something to my potential new boss - AIBU for applying for a new job when I'm TTC?

What the hell else am I supposed to do, carry on with my temp contract until it runs out and I'm let unemployed, possibly pregnant or with a new baby?

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PenguinsDontEatKale · 03/02/2014 16:35

For SMP, the clock cannot re-set if you change roles within an employer. If you have continuous service for an employer (i.e. no gap between the contracts) it all counts.

For enhanced maternity pay, it depends on the policy. In theory the policy could require X amount of service in a given role. It's unlikely it would though. It normally just says X amount of service for the council without a break to qualify.

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 16:37

My friend is indeed very bitter. It really wound me up.

I had hoped that she would help me with my application, give me lots of advice and encouragement. But after that conversation, I'm not going to mention the job to her again. She doesn't deserve to be involved in any of the process, and then if I get it, she can't claim any credit for helping me.

She now works for a different organization, but is already moaning about it. Trouble is, my friend is her boss (I know, we move in very tight circles in this field) and it makes me cringe. I'd never say anything to anyone, but I just think it's disrespectful.

The other day, she was moaning on facebook about having to go away on a work thing, and all her friends were on there persuading her to go because they'd all be going out on the piss together during the event.

I wanted to post "You're representing here, have a bit of fucking respect"... but I didn't, of course. Her boss is her friend on Facebook and can make her own judgements.

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NatashaBee · 03/02/2014 16:39

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CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 16:39

For SMP, the clock cannot re-set if you change roles within an employer. If you have continuous service for an employer (i.e. no gap between the contracts) it all counts So in fact, it's even more important that I find a role within my current organization, than to look outside of it.

i.e. My friend is even more wrong.

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MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan · 03/02/2014 16:39

I'd take what your friend says with a pinch of salt. Unless your circumstances are identical, what can make a job unbearable for one person can be manageable for another. It depends where you are in your life and what you're looking for at the time.

Apply for it.

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 16:40

Yeah, I'm a terrible one for worrying about all eventualities before something has even happened.

As DP said, if you're lucky enough be offered the job, worry about it then, not before...

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Foodylicious · 03/02/2014 16:51

Just go for it!
You need to apply for another job anyway, so better its one you know and understand & with a company you know too.

Good luck with TTC and maybe only ask this friend for advice about trivial matters in the future, she is clearly unable to give you advice about what is good for you without mixing in her own issues!

DanceParty · 03/02/2014 16:56

*Stupidly I told my boss that I was ttc because I had to have fertility investigations and envisaged a bit of time off sick while I dealt with some of that.

But she's sensible enough not to mention that to anyone else*.

Let's hope she keeps her mouth shut, then Hmm

towicymru · 03/02/2014 16:59

If your temp contract is directly with your employer (i.e. not through an agency) your service with them will be from when you started with them. Transferring to a new department in the same Company means you still work for the same Company (same way as if you got promoted in your current team). If you are employed via an agency or as a self employed contractor then that wouldn't apply but I'm guessing that's not the case as you wouldn't be able to apply internally!

Good luck with TTC. You are under no obligation to declare you are TTC!

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 17:00

Just managed to find my old staff handbook. It states that SMP is dependent on length of time served with the employer and not within a particular post - so presumably, starting a new post will not set the clock back to zero, and I will still be entitled to full mat leave as I have been with the company for over a year.

So yes, it's definitely in my interest to get a new job with my current employer rather than look outside and start from scratch. So my friend is totally wrong.

I would obviously have to check that if I am ever lucky enough to be in position to need to know.

And yes, I'll keep my friend out of any serious discussions about work in the future. IF I get the job, no doubt she'll have plenty more bitterness to vent, but I'll be in a stronger position to let it bounce off me.

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CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 17:03

And IF I get pregnant, I'll be so over the moon that I won't give two shiny shits what she thinks.

Oh, she also told me that when she applied for another job at my company, which she didn't get, that she never intended to stay there for more than a year anyway since she only wanted the job in order to get her foreign boyfriend a visa to come and work here.

So she clearly has no right to lecture me!!!

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maxpower · 03/02/2014 17:06

Apply. Never let a dream job pass you by.

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 17:23

Well, who knows, my friend might be right about all the negatives, it might be difficult, it might be frustrating... but I'll have a permanent role in a job I've longed for.

If I hate it after 12 months, well that's my problem and not my friend's. At least I'll be in a good position to start with.

I'm just a bit hurt and offended by her undisguised bitterness. The job she applied for, and didn't get, was the boss of the job I'm applying for. I think the new job has touched a nerve with her.

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MrsGarlic · 03/02/2014 17:30

Is there any chance she's planning to apply for the job too and is trying to put you off, as you're competition for her?!

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 17:37

Well it's internal only at the moment, so she can't apply - but if they don't find anyone internally (i.e. if I'm not good enough) then it will probably go external.

BUT she has slagged off the company SO much, and left in such bitterness, and the job would be working under the job she originally applied for, so I seriously doubt it.

I do wonder whether she knows of anyone else that might be going for the job. I did ask her, but she was cagey about it.

Thing is, if I was totally confident in my abilities, it wouldn't bother me so much, but I've been out of that field of work for a while so I'm a bit rusty on it, despite it being what I originally trained to do. So I would need to brush up a LOT to have any chance of this job, hence me feeling a bit insecure about the whole thing.

It truly is my dream though, to get back into the profession that I originally trained for. It means a hell of a lot to me. And she knows that, which is why I felt so hurt that she wasn't more encouraging.

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Juliealpha · 03/02/2014 17:48

Absolutely go for it. Just imagine a few years down the line when you've had.your baby and you've got your dream job

CosyTeaBags · 03/02/2014 17:52

Thanks everyone.

God, that means I have to actually fill in the application now.. aargh, scary!

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newyearhere · 03/02/2014 19:27

I do wonder whether she knows of anyone else that might be going for the job. I did ask her, but she was cagey about it.

I think that must be it. She's either going for it herself, or knows someone who is. I suspect she's going for it herself and if so, may not be such a "friend" as you think, if she's sneakily trying to put you off the job in the guise of "advice". Sadly there are people who do that sort of thing, and the nice people on the receiving end don't realise until it's too late.

Definitely apply! And when you get the job, tell her it's lucky you didn't listen to what she said Grin

UnionofMultitaskers · 03/02/2014 19:37

I've not read whole thread but I applied for a temporary position when TTC. I was called saying I didn't get it. Then found out I was preg. Then 2 days later I was phoned up by establishment they offered me the job. As it was temporary I took it as I knew they wouldn't have to pay me mat leave. And it was my pathway into furthering my career. Also I was so early days pregnant...
I was able to receive maternity allowance from gov. And I really enjoyed the job

MeepMeepVrooooom · 03/02/2014 19:41

OP I've already given you my opinion on the other thread.

Go for it, all of it. Good luck Grin

MooMaid · 03/02/2014 22:17

Apply for the job, sack off the 'friend' (she's no friend) and keep TTC.

You cannot put your life on hold for something that might not happen for a while longer yet anyway but if it does happen then bonus Grin

wowfudge · 03/02/2014 22:37

Go for it Cosy and good luck! Would be good to hear how you get on.

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