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AIBU to want to loose the plot on this loan company lending to my VERY vulnerable and frail mum.

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endofanera · 28/01/2014 19:43

Just found out my mum has borrowed money from a loan company before Chritistmas, it was a cold call to her home. She borrowed £350 to pay fuel bills and buy presents for her grandchildren. She now has to pay back £750 due to APR. A "man" calls at her house once a week to collect her repayments. I have no doubt AT ALL she was hoodwinked into this. She is currently in hospital and is really poorly, we are waiting t find out if she has a tumor on her liver. She is really vulnerable and gullable at the best of times. But, she has been so poory for a few months now and cant even afford to heat her home or eat due to having to pay this debt. We only found out all this when BIL went to take her clean clothes in hospital and found the loan agreement. I am really sickend by this. My poor mum. I want to do horrid things to these company's who prey on vulnerble disabled people. She is also really frightened to go home once she leave hospital. She cant afford to pay but is seriously afraid. I havent a clue what to do, other than string him up by his balls!!!

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endlesstidying · 28/01/2014 23:13

Are you sure these people are licensed? If not you can report them as illegal loan sharks. If they are then there will be certain rules they have to adhere to and it may be that if you talk to them they will prove to be helpful.

there is more information here

MaxPepsi · 28/01/2014 23:15

Have you checked the loan agreement for any mis spellings of her personal details or other incorrect info?

If my memory serves me correctly the slightest error makes it invalid and she won't have to pay anything. Although I would check that out.

endlesstidying · 28/01/2014 23:16

Sorry just realised its Provident. They will be licensed God knows why they are though

MaxPepsi · 28/01/2014 23:16

Have you checked the loan agreement for any mis spellings of her personal details or other incorrect info?

If my memory serves me correctly the slightest error makes it invalid and she won't have to pay anything. Although I would check that out.

MaxPepsi · 28/01/2014 23:16

Have you checked the loan agreement for any mis spellings of her personal details or other incorrect info?

If my memory serves me correctly the slightest error makes it invalid and she won't have to pay anything. Although I would check that out.

deakymom · 28/01/2014 23:17

how long did she take the loan out for there is a sliding scale and the longer you take the more interest it charges? even the maximum time allowed only takes you up to six hundred + and they told you £750? definitely something fishy going on

basically ring them up and tell them she is incapable of signing a contract ask them for a settlement figure and negotiate it down plus you need to tell them never to lend to her again sounds harsh but we did it with my husbands nan they have to take part in "responsible lending" which means once you have told them she is not capable if they lend to her again you can get it wiped off due to unfair practices

IneedAsockamnesty · 28/01/2014 23:20

Please get a professional to deal with this. Your more likely to get it wiped totally

endlesstidying · 28/01/2014 23:22

OP I've just looked at Providents site. They have a sliding scale on the front page which shows that £350 borrowed even over a full year comes out at £637 in total (still a huge amount). I am wondering if the doorstep collector is taking extra. I think I'd be talking to Provident directly sounds like something very odd is going on here

endlesstidying · 28/01/2014 23:23

sorry cross posted with deakymom

MiscellaneousAssortment · 28/01/2014 23:38

Oh poor you and poor you mum :(

Agree with everyone else to:

  • get advice from CAB (can be hard to contact but good once you get through)
  • find loan agreement to see how much has been paid off already
  • phone loan company & offer to pay off original loan or the remainder. Interest needs stopping and refuse to pay. Grounds are that the lady was too vulnerable and poorly to make decisions and therefore wasn't capable of understanding what she was signing

And finally, maybe you need to think about getting power of atnourney for her - seems drastic and you'd have to look into what problems or difficulties it might cause, but it would stop bastard loan companies doing this Flowers

gamerchick · 28/01/2014 23:42

Take all the paperwork to the cab . They'll deal with provident for you.

CouthyMow · 28/01/2014 23:58

Provident don't lend £350 as a first loan. don't work for them but have used them and Greenwards in the recent past through lack of choice and a house move with only 9 days notice

Their first loan is for a maximum of £150. Their interest rates on their loans is a fucking shocking 423% APR.

On a £350 loan, that works out to...£1,480.50. Which would be £28.47 a week to pay back.

However, you can choose to pay it back in less than a year, which lowers the rate of interest you pay, but pushes up the weekly payment to even sillier amounts - over 26 weeks, you would likely have an APR of 212%, which WOULD make the total repayable amount £742, making the payment still £28.54 a week.

Can you tell I hate having had to rely on fucking Provident?!

But they REALLY DO make you aware of the APR AND the total amount that you will have to repay. And there us a 7 day 'cooling off' period too, where if you return the full amount of money to them, they cannot charge you any of the interest.

I can't see that this could possibly be the first loan your DM has had from Provident, to be able to get a £350 loan.

They ARE bastards, and very pushy when it comes to asking for the repayments though - they can hound you by phone, and knocking on the door as many days a week as they can, as soon as you miss two payments - which is easy to do if you are ill, for example. And they expect you to catch up ASAP.

I borrowed £150 at 212% interest, to be paid back over 6 months, but because I've missed a few payments here and there, I have about a month left to pay. I was paying back £15 a week.

Some people have NO choice but to borrow from loan companies like Provident, in my case, I had just 9 days notice of a HA house move, and a removal van to pay for. I can't magic up £150, and nobody else is queuing up to lend to an unemployed, disabled Lone Parent on benefits...

Like it or not, they provide a service that people DO need, especially since the demise of the Social Fund loan.

There are times when I have to resort to the likes of Provident and Greensward (it might be an idea to check that she doesn't have any loans with them, too, as they are now just branches of the same business, often with the same collector, but are able to loan completely separately to each other...) because there just IS nowhere else to get credit from.

But I how into it with my eyes open, knowing what the interest rates are, and knowing that the alternative is Wonga et al, whose interest rates make Provident's pale into insignificance...5348% interest on a loan, anybody?!

I make the choice to use Provident, in times of emergency need only (TRUE 'I need money NOW, and not just for electricity, but for a removal van / cooker / fridge freezer kind of expense), as the 'least shitty' of two very shitty options.

I would LOVE to be able to get a credit card at 29.9% interest...

BUT, the reason for Provident's high interest rates is because something like 45% of their customers don't even pay back their initial LOAN amount - so they are lending to an incredibly 'high risk of default' section of society, and their interest rates therefore reflect that level of risk as a business.

The lending to an elderly woman with MH issues and medical issues is questionable at best though...does anyone have Power of Attorney over your DM's finances? And did they at the time she took out the loan? If not, then she will be deemed as capable of making her own financial decisions. However, if someone DOES have Power of Attorney over her finances, then they may well have no choice but to write off the loan, as it would be easy to prove that your DM was incapable of agreeing to the terms of the contract.

IneedAsockamnesty · 29/01/2014 00:49

Age concern can bypass the normal way of getting hold of CAB and get an appointment for her very quickly, they will have the professionals number to ring.

couthy I've known them loan £400 as a first loan madly to a bankrupt customer! (Customer disclosed but its legal as its under £500)

CouthyMow · 29/01/2014 01:03

They don't do that here in my town, and that's 3 different collectors. Maybe they are a tiny bit more ethical here? They took great pains on learning that I was unemployed through disability to ensure that I was fully aware of what I was signing up for, and it was 24 hours after signing before they would bring me the actual cash.

Joysmum · 29/01/2014 01:22

If you don't think your mother is capable if making her own financial decisions, you need to get control of her financial affairs.

We we so worried about FIL in his earlier days of dementia and found numerous insurance policies all covering the same thing. When DH and SIL got power of attorney, the first thing they did was to cancel all the excess policies.

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