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AIBU?

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to stop these playdates?

111 replies

womblesofwestminster · 28/01/2014 16:30

I have a local friend/acquaintance (we'll call her Helen) who has a DD the same age as mine (3). She invites my kids and myself over to hers every Tuesday for an hour or so. A few months back we had a brief falling out because her daughter was constantly snatching toys off my daughter and Helen would do nothing to address this. Every week my daughter would be in tears and not understand why the other girl wasn't being told off for being 'naughty'. A few weeks later, Helen assured me that her DD had improved her behaviour and asked if I would resume the Tuesday 'playdates'. I gave her the benefit of the doubt and agreed.

A few weeks passed with the kids playing nicely. Then today, the following happened:

When I arrived with my kids at the usual time, Helen's DD was playing with her friend (also 3) in the bedroom. My kids went upstairs to join them. The two girls let my DD into the bedroom but would not let my DS (2) because "no boys allowed". This is normal preschooler behaviour, of course.

DS started to cry. Helen said that DS could stay downstairs with us. So I took him downstairs. Lunch was served (chicken nuggets and chips). DS was given his to eat on a plate on the floor in the livingroom. Helen took the other 3 girls' lunch up to the bedroom. DS sat and ate his dinner, whilst asking where his sister was (they are very close being close in age). I admit, I felt so sad for him.

At this point, DS found a toy truck (the only toy of interest in a sea of pink tat - sorry, but we're talking Disney princess overload in that house). He becomes very engrossed in running the truck around the floor. Then we hear a scream from upstairs. I run upstairs to see. My DD is locked out of the bedroom and the other 2 girls won't let her in. Helen makes a half-hearted attempt at reasoning with the girls but her daughter slams the door on her face (!) My DD is very upset at this point and throws up. I clear up the vomit and bring DD downstairs to join DS, followed by Helen.

The 2 girls come down a few minutes afterwards. Helen's DD spies my DS playing with the truck and pushes him in the face and snatches it off him. He starts crying and trying to get the truck back. Helen makes a half hearted "DS was playing with that. It's a boys toy." Her DD continues to push him in the face as he tries to get it back.

I decide it is time to call game over on this visit and start putting DS' coat on as by this point, he is on the floor flaying around. Helen sits and watches and looks sheepish. As I bundle a flaying DS into his buggy, and then get DD's coat on, Helen says "I hope this won't stop you coming back next week. We'll see you next Tuesday yeah?" I nodded and quickly left.

AIBU to stop the playdates? No one is getting anything out of these visits. I refuse to let my kids be bullied, but I am not prepared to discipline someone else's kid.

OP posts:
bochead · 28/01/2014 17:37

I'm a bit confused.

Why is anyone allowing a bunch of toddlers to play unsupervised upstairs? Trouble is bound to brew at just 2/3 years old sooner or later.

To be fair at that age the unspoken rule was that whoever saw the naughty behavior first acted. Often it was the adult that was closest that grabbed the offending child/toy and noone got catsbummy about it in my circle. One child had a short period of snatching, another of pinching, mine was an escapologist but they were none of them perfect iyswim.

If you don't get along with the Mum well enough for the two of you to maintain order, and have a companionable natter & cuppa as you do so, then why bother? Just accept your parenting styles are too incompatible to supervise play dates for such young kids together and be busy on Tuesdays. (You are allowed to secretly feel sorry for the other child's nursery workers/teachers! Just don't say it out loud).

TimothyClaypoleLover · 28/01/2014 17:39

Definitely put a stop to these play dates. If your DD is so upset that she vomits then it is not fair forcing her to go, particularly if you aren't even friends with the other mum. I had a similar situation last year with one of my antenatal group mums and her DS hitting my DD at every play date. my DD hated seeing him and I realised I should be putting her first.

bubbawubba · 28/01/2014 17:45

Does she ever go to your house? If not, am I right in thinking that she is having you over every Tuesday and feeding you and your kids? That sounds a bit unfair to me.

Nanny0gg · 28/01/2014 17:59

Pointless waste of time.

Her child has others to play with and so does yours.

Put a stop to it.

FixItUpChappie · 28/01/2014 18:11

I hardly think Helen's child sounds "horrid" - good god, 3 year old are not known for Emily Post social graces FFS. Its up to Helen to step in.

I was going to say you should just move the playdates to the park or out and about, so that they can be friends as they grown up and learn to play better.....but she kicked you out. Really? I would have ended it right there. Good god.

Balaboosta · 28/01/2014 18:12

This is the kind of double-edged AIBU that sets my teeth on edge. On the one hand, you present a situation that is totally unacceptable and on no account to be continued. Your dd was so stressed that she vomited? Wtf? Then you ask should you let it continue when the answer is plainly obvious. Er... No!
But but but...
I think your expectations about this "play dates" is totally unrealistic. 3 yo is far far too young for children to play nicely away without adult support (you say the kids were upstairs). They aren't at that age capable of friendship. This comes much later IMO. I also detect a snidey undercurrent of snobby judginess - "sea of pink tat".
The answer is so obvious - dont do these play dates - tht I think you are actually looking for validation for your judgement about this other mum's parenting style and taste in toys. Show some leadership. Either stop the play dates or provide your DCs with a bit more support and direction. And if the child vomits, get her the hell out of there. YAB-flakey.

attheendoftheday · 28/01/2014 18:14

I think I'd have left at the point your ds was excluded. It's not normal to leave one child to play alone regardless of gender, it's unkind. I wouldn't be going back either.

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/01/2014 18:16

"Helen says "I hope this won't stop you coming back next week. We'll see you next Tuesday yeah?" I nodded and quickly left."
Why would she want you to come back? Confused

3bunnies · 28/01/2014 18:18

It sounds as if she is asking you over because she doesn't enjoy her childcare swap experience and wants some adult company, understandable but not at the expense of your dc. I would just be honest - presumably your dc won't be too keen on going back. Suggest that maybe you meet a different day in a neural place with just her and her dc - if she insists on being just that day then I would conclude that she is probably just using you as a chance for adult company and doesn't have much more investment in the friendship.

horsetowater · 28/01/2014 18:21

I think these playdates are a learning curve for both adults and children. Far better than disciplining other peoples children is playing with them, modelling nice play. Leaving them upstairs to fight it out is nice in a Summerhill kind of hippie way but you can't expect discipline then. They are 3 year olds.

Having said that a recent experiment in New Zealand showed that children left in the playground without any supervision at all behaved much better and self-regulated eventually, although that was with older children mixing with younger ones.

Groovee · 28/01/2014 18:34

I think Helen is lonely and you coming round gives her a diversion from only being around children.

Stop going, keep being busy on Tuesday or invite her to go to the park etc.

Viviennemary · 28/01/2014 18:39

I wouldn't go again. Life is too short to bother with such irritating and rude people. Your DS having lunch on his own after being shut out. Sad

horsetowater · 28/01/2014 18:40

I am being hypocritical actually. I remember there were certain people I only met at the park and other children I would always put the TV on for. One girl who would always make dd be the 'monster' and another boy who just wanted to slide down the bannisters time and again. Another one who wanted to win every game. They just didn't know how to socialise.

There are some children that frankly need good parenting rather than cosy modelling.

newyearhere · 28/01/2014 18:47

Do you ever ask them to yours? I see this question has been asked again and again but you're not answering.

Quite so LadyBeagleEyes

FunkyBoldRibena · 28/01/2014 18:49

When she asks again say 'what's the point?'

ICanSeeTheSeaFromHere · 28/01/2014 18:58

New Year Here, the OP answered that a few posts back. 'Helen' childminds/shares care and the OP's house isn't big enough for extra children.

I would stop going tbh. I see it as my job to keep my children safe and happy... Helen won't stop her DD from hitting, pushing, excluding your DC's so remove them from the situations.

Bowlersarm · 28/01/2014 19:02

ICanSee-the OP also says Helen child minds sometimes so theoretically there are occasions when Helen and dd are on their own when an invitation by the OP can be issued.

However, as Helen told the OP off for gently admonishing her dd, I think that's swung it for me-don't bother OP.

2tiredtocare · 28/01/2014 19:08

3 year olds plating together in a bedroom unsupervised is a recipe for disaster

amidaiwish · 28/01/2014 19:15

give me one reason why you would continue with this?

  • you don't really like the mum
  • you don't like the daughter
  • your daughter doesn't like the daughter
  • your son has a nightmare
  • there are other children often there complicating matters.

find a regular activity that is on Tuesday afternoon so you can not visit anymore without falling out.

NoSquirrels · 28/01/2014 19:33

If she chucked you out for telling her daughter not to snatch I would just knock the whole thing on the head.

In a room full of toddlers/preschoolers, the nearest available adult steps in to say "that's not how we share"/"no hitting"/"remember to be gentle"/"let's take turns" etc. I expect other people to model that to my children, and if anyone was catsbummy with me about doing it to their kids I'd just think life was to short to be spending time with them as it would make me uncomfortable. If I like the adult I'd try to see them alone, but you don't sound like you like Helen so just forget it.

I agree that it sounds as if Helen doesn't enjoy her Tuesdays in charge and is looking for distraction. But you don't have to be it.

Icelollycraving · 28/01/2014 19:34

It sounds hideous for everyone. You sound a bit snidey about her. Your ds had a miserable time & your dd vomited through being upset,why would anyone go back?!
Is it bad I've never done play dates with ds? Blush

jellybeans · 28/01/2014 19:34

I would get out of it. Make excuses till she stops asking. Life's too short etc etc. I did this to some 'friends' as if it is more misery than good it isn't worth it at all.

womblesofwestminster · 28/01/2014 20:51

Oh, and not all of us who have a one-and-only allow them to behave like this!

Sorry, hope I didn't offend. It was the only explanation I could come up with for her pandering behaviour.

OP posts:
Only1scoop · 28/01/2014 21:00

I also have a one and only and don't believe I posses any pandering traits associated with that.
I'd definately knock your Tues play dates on the head.

JupiterGentlefly · 28/01/2014 21:05

Is this another inflammatory fred?

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