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School Abscense Fine - huge amount

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PMDD · 16/01/2014 08:08

If I am correct, if you take your child/ren out of school without prior agreement, there is an automatic fine of £60/day/child/parent?

So for us, a family with 3 children, a 2 week holiday in (say) June, would cost us £3600 - or double that if we don't pay within a certain amount of time!

Is it me to think that is totally unreasonable?!

That is a huge amount. The people who take their children out normally can't afford the hike in holiday prices, so how on earth would they afford the fine?

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 16/01/2014 12:36

You know it's not real though, right? You might as well say the Kinder ad shows how good chocolate is for children, because those actors look really happy when they get the eggs! It doesn't 'demonstrate' anything - it's there to sell you the idea of going on holiday by making you think any underlying issues in your family will vanish when you do!

Thetallesttower · 16/01/2014 12:37

School attendance is very obviously linked to achievement, and frankly taking your child out of school to go on holiday somewhere hot, whether they're a year ahead or a year behind, is a decision you make and you have to face the consequences. If you send your child to a school, I think you have to be supportive of that school and what they're offering your child - not just decide that some weeks are of no value and you'd be better on a beach.

This is just not true. Missing one week or even two is not linked to lower achievement, missing substantial portions of school is linked to poor achievement but it is also linked to chaotic lives, poverty and general issues with coping with life (unless due to illness). So- yet again the government targets the wrong group.

Secondly, class sizes are huge, the entire school my dd's are in is at capacity, 30 in every classroom, all those small boxy low ceilinged classrooms suited to 20 children and with no storage space. The system is creaking at the seams. I think having two or three children (10%) missing due to illness or authorized absence is probably a blessed relief!

I agree with everyone who thinks that state interference with previously normal everyday activities (what you give your children to eat, attending a wedding, going abroad to see grandparents) is unpleasant and creates further upset.

And of course it effects the poor most, we went in the holidays last year to my children's home country to see the other half of their family and it cost us so much we are still in debt over it, a year later. The year before it was just within our budget as went for a few days in the middle of November when it was extremely cheap. Now we can't afford to book for next year at all- bad for us, huh, having a family in another country.

I hate this system and what it says about our country. Their target obsession is driving the NHS and the education system and those that work in it to the brink.

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:37

People change when they are on holiday, IMO. Thomas Cook have clearly undertaken research hence the nature of their advert.

DownstairsMixUp · 16/01/2014 12:38

Also the ones that keep saying it's not about a holiday to, it's about time with the kids, well how does that work then? Retail workers don't get much time off, they will most likely work all through xmas apart from xmas day. I worked boxing day, nye, new years day and christmas eve. This year I will also work all through easter (i'm not allowed to book it off as it's too "busy") so I'll work good friday and easter monday to. December is a no go for annual leave. When I was a carer I worked xmas day to. So it's not as simple as just book off time in the holidays, some of us still have to work through them and getting anytime during the six weeks off is a fight at my place, most of us have kids so you have to book it in advance and even then it can get turned down.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 16/01/2014 12:39

Thomas Cook have clearly undertaken research hence the nature of their advert

This strikes me as quite staggeringly naive.

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:41

Taken from Marketing Week:

Thomson Holidays, the TUI Travel-owned travel brand, is launching an "epic" marketing campaign demonstrating the importance of taking holidays, in a bid to challenge consumers' perceptions of the travel brand.
The campaign, created by BMB and launching on 27 December, uses motion capture and special effects technology to tell the story of Simon the Ogre.

There is some meaning in this, though any holiday will help, not just Thomas Cook, who incidentally I have not used.

Retropear · 16/01/2014 12:41

Yes Down heaven forbid that kids with non rich parents should start secondary knowing what learning a foreign language is actually for.Or that these kids should be aware of the global market re jobs and have confidence in thinking they could be part of it.Or that these kids should experience life beyond their back door and have aspirations to travel afar even to another city and earn money in order to do so.

Drones that's what we're all becoming.Do what you're told,learn your place,suck it up,hand your kid over to the state who know best in all things.

Hmm
Only1scoop · 16/01/2014 12:42

That's not a Thomas Cook advert by the way.

UncleT · 16/01/2014 12:43

Thomas Cook want to persuade you to buy a holiday. That's it.

Anyway, it's also not true to say that this is something that only affects poorer people. Plenty of well-off families are quite capable of arranging holidays at inappropriate times too. Bottom line - education is compulsory.

nativityplayer · 16/01/2014 12:43

As long as you don't mind your child's teacher taking two weeks off during term time because her OP cannot get time off during the school holidays ...

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:44

Shows how much attention I paid, but they are part of the same group!

Dontletthemgetyoudown · 16/01/2014 12:44

if you can afford a holiday at all are you really poor? Fuck no! Stop misusing the word poor and have some general understanding or those that are truly poor. They are the ones not complaining about the fines. Why because it doesn't apply to them, they won't be going on holiday in term time because they aren't going away.

Some people really have no idea what happens in the real world. I am thankful everyday that I have enough money to house, feed and clothe my children the rest is a luxury, which I am fortunate enough to have. I have no sympathy for those squabbling over a fine, you're still going to go anyway, so get on with it and carry on with the self righteous indignation that someone might tell you no.

Only1scoop · 16/01/2014 12:44

Poppy I can assure you Thomas Cook is not part of Tui group.

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:45

Holidays are to provide a feel good factor, give you something to look forward to, sleep better, have fun .....thomson are playing on this.

Thetallesttower · 16/01/2014 12:45

Funnily enough, one of the teachers at my dd's school did want to go away when she started her new job, she had a week off to attend her sister's wedding in Australia in the middle of term. Perfect normal reasonable thing to do, except it is now essentially illegal for parents to do this.

DownstairsMixUp · 16/01/2014 12:46

Yeah let's just do everything were told like good people. pats on head

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:47

Teachers should not holiday during the term time as they take that job on the basis of knowing holidays will be in the holidays. I know that due to my DH job he won't be home always on Christmas Day. Its part of his job and he knows he won't get every christmas day off.

SoftSheen · 16/01/2014 12:48

YABU. Someone who took a 2 week unauthorised absence from their job would have a lot more to worry about than being fined- they would very likely be fired.

Children do not need a foreign holiday every year. If prices are too high during school breaks, take them camping instead.

Poppy67 · 16/01/2014 12:48

If a teacher has a wedding to attend, fine. But not to spend on a beach or camping.

DownstairsMixUp · 16/01/2014 12:50

That's the point, no one wants to take unauthorised time :S Being allowed 10 days leave a year is not going to make the child fail everything then end up working in a dead end job forever because they had a holiday once a year or every few years. Hmm

KatnipEvergreen · 16/01/2014 12:52

I don't think a foreign holiday every year is a necessity. But families spending time together is, and kids should be granted the last week of term off if that's the only time their dad can take time off work.

Retropear · 16/01/2014 12:52

Oh not the camping phrase which gets trotted out every time.Have you read the thread Soft?

Camping in August costs £££££ plus the cost of kit(which I've noticed has gone up) and the need of a large car.

Camping is not a cheap option everybody can afford.

NumptyNameChange · 16/01/2014 12:52

as a teacher i am very aware of a myriad of reasons why young people don't achieve at school. some of the reasons would make you weep. none of the underachievers i've encountered were such due to suffering from having the odd term time holiday.

KatnipEvergreen · 16/01/2014 12:53

We don't tend to have a foreign holiday in July/August as most of Europe is too hot, IMO.

May whitsun holiday is much better for that.

MarmaladeBatkins · 16/01/2014 12:55

"Some people really have no idea what happens in the real world. I am thankful everyday that I have enough money to house, feed and clothe my children the rest is a luxury, which I am fortunate enough to have."

Oh here we go. Competitive hardship...

Oh and camping in Cornwall cost me more than a week in France. True story.

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