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To want to tell a friend to piss off?

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lbsjob87 · 31/12/2013 10:56

AIBU here or is there a solution?
This is long but hopefully it's clear why.
I have a friend who I've known on and off since school (20-odd years).
She has always led a very sheltered life, her mum and dad are very old fashioned, they never let her out as a teenager and she has one older sister and a niece she is very close to.
My friend was briefly married (it was a rebellion thing) but she was divorced within about three years and has no kids. This all happened about 15 years ago, so her being single isn't a new thing.
My problem is, she leads quite a simple, lonely life and doesn't really understand that other people's lives are more complicated.
I have friends and relatives all over the place, kids, work, seven nephews and nieces and other people who I like to spend time with, and my life is, generally, chaos.
She's very kind and generous but literally has no concept of personal space.
For example, last night me and my OH went to a friend's birthday at a local pub, and my friend was there. She asked if I was in between 3 and 5 today as she has bought me and my DD Xmas presents and she wants to come round so my DD can play with it.
We don't exchange presents and she expects nothing in return, but obviously it makes it harder to say "Go away!"
I said we wouldn't be in -OH is working and I am planning on going to the cinema with my mum - I've been promising to take DD all holiday and she's been ill.
I have no car or money at the mo so it's a Granny treat. I'm back at work Thursday so it's our last chance of the holidays.
She said "Great, I'll come with you. What time shall I pick you up? What are we seeing?" Then spent ALL evening saying how much she's looking forward to going.
But I don't particularly want her to come. I definitely didn't invite her. It's my mum's treat, and family time. We had a pretty rubbish Christmas with bugs and things and this is literally the only thing I have planned with my DD.
Also, once she comes, she just doesn't leave.
She popped round for a coffee at 1pm once - at 6, she was still there (she doesn't say much, so literally sitting there). I had to say "Sorry, I need to go now, I'm babysitting for my niece."
Out of the blue she said: "Oh, I was planning to get a takeaway and stay the night." This was the first we'd heard, we don't even have a spare room! Then she offered to come with me, despite never having met my brother - I had to say he didn't like strangers in his house just to get her to stop following me.
She doesn't take hints, and even a straight out "I'm sorry, no" falls on deaf ears.
I have tried arranging things with a set time span but she just doesn't get that people are busy.
She turns up randomly with board games and thinks that people have time to drop everything to play bloody Monopoly for example, on a Sunday afternoon, despite the fact they may be cleaning or cooking or whatever.
My OH works shifts, I work ft, our DD is at school, so we value our family time.
Another time, I accidentally asked her on a trip to the zoo, because I thought she might like to come - she picked us up at 9am, dropped us home at 6pm, then came in, and at midnight, we had to ask her to leave.
Having said that, when she has other things on, or a new man, I don't hear from her for months, and other friends have distanced themselves from her because she's so full on.
When she was married, I literally never saw her in three years, she was always too busy, whenever I tried to arrange something.
And one friend who was having lots of health issues fell out with her because the full-on friend accused her of making up hospital appointments in a bid to avoid seeing her, when in fact she was seriously ill.
But when I said, about today, "Can you come earlier as 3isn't convenient?" she said no, as she has to go shopping then see her mum till exactly 3. After 5 isn't an option as she will literally stay for hours. So it's fine for me to fit around her schedule, just not the other way round.
Last time, she hung around downstairs while I fed, bathed and put my DD to bed, despite only having "popped in for five minutes" several hours before, which was just weird, TBH.
But I feel guilty and end up making excuses all the time then giving up entire weekends (my other half only gets one off a month) to see her so I don't feel bad.
I do feel sorry for her because she is obviously lonely but she also drives me insane. What would others do to try and escape, or am I just a horrible person? It's at the stage where the reason she's lonely is because people avoid spending time with her, so it's a vicious circle. Any suggestions, please?

OP posts:
BlackDaisies · 31/12/2013 11:10

That sounds really difficult. I think the answer is you have to get very brave about saying no, or asking her to leave. With the cinema for example, you could have said what you've said here "no sorry, it's mum's treat, I haven't seen her in a while and we're catching up this afternoon." If she asks again, you smile and say "no sorry, not this time." If she's in your house, ask her to leave "sorry, I'll have to ask you to leave I need to sort dd out now" repeat repeat repeat. Arrange to see her in places you can walk away from. Practise saying "I can't ask you in because...... " So she can't make 3 o'clock? Then say "that's a shame, another time then". She might be lonely, but she can still see you without overstaying her welcome all the time.

BlackDaisies · 31/12/2013 11:10

That sounds really difficult. I think the answer is you have to get very brave about saying no, or asking her to leave. With the cinema for example, you could have said what you've said here "no sorry, it's mum's treat, I haven't seen her in a while and we're catching up this afternoon." If she asks again, you smile and say "no sorry, not this time." If she's in your house, ask her to leave "sorry, I'll have to ask you to leave I need to sort dd out now" repeat repeat repeat. Arrange to see her in places you can walk away from. Practise saying "I can't ask you in because...... " So she can't make 3 o'clock? Then say "that's a shame, another time then". She might be lonely, but she can still see you without overstaying her welcome all the time.

SuperStrength · 31/12/2013 11:11

IMO
1\ She does 'get it' she just doesn't care about you. She is putting herself 1st at every turn & blithely ignoring your feelings, thoughts & wishes.
2\ You are a 'rescuer'. You pity her life & so make unecessary allowances for her poor behaviour. She doesn't need to be rescued. She likes her life, afterall, it's how she has 'choosen' to live.
3\ Stop feeling sorry for her & see her as an equal who has made her own choices, this will help you stand up to her properly.
4\ If there are problems in her life i.e. feeling lonely, she needs to fix this herself & not at your expense.

You need to see her for what she really is, she's not a friend, she's using you to fill a gap in her life. What do you get out of this so called friendship?

In your shoes I would cut her loose as you don't sound at all compatible as friends. You should enjoy her company & look forward to seeing her, if not, why are you bothering...life is too short for people like this. (bitter experience).

YouStayClassySanDiego · 31/12/2013 11:17

Tell her the cinema trip is for you and your mum, sorry but she isnt invited.

Stand firm and dont waver.

You'll have to be blunt and stone faced with her, she has the hide of a rhino, ease her out of your life.

Life is too short to put up with this.

Unexpected · 31/12/2013 11:28

Phone her up NOW, tell her the cinema trip is your mum's treat and she has bought the tickets already. It's a chance for her to see her granddaughter and not convenient for her to come this time - then finish the conversation.

Longer term, I think you need to have a frank discussion with her - easier said than done though. Maybe you could go somewhere for a coffee or drink (i.e. not your house whee she might think she is staying overnight again!) and tell her that the demands of your life mean that you can't devote hours to having her visit you. Maybe you could suggest some new places for her to find like-minded people? A book club? Evening classes? Volunteering?

If (as is possible, maybe probable) she takes offence, what have you really lost? You have spent years being a good friend to her which has not been reciprocated. You need to put your family first now.

RenterNomad · 31/12/2013 11:39

This sounds like the sort of problem which can't be solved by her friends a d family, but needs counselling.

As an aside, can she prioritise and timetable when she's working?

clara26 · 31/12/2013 11:42

It really isn't fair that you and your family have to tolerate this. Personally I would be blunt also, sounds like the only way she'll get it.

We had a neighbour like this when I was a kid. My mum was a single parent and she'd come over at eight every morning while mum was getting us ready for school. She'd then come back once mum got home from the school run and stay until mum left for work. After three years mum told her to piss off as the subtle and not so subtle hints didn't work.

Can't you set her up on match.com? Wink

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 11:53

But when I said, about today, "Can you come earlier as 3isn't convenient?" she said no, as she has to go shopping then see her mum till exactly 3. After 5 isn't an option as she will literally stay for hours. So it's fine for me to fit around her schedule, just not the other way round.

'Oh well, another time then'.

'Oh well, that doesn't work for us'.

If she turns up without asking say 'sorry, it's not convenient, you should have called before coming round' and [here's the trick] DO NOT LET HER IN.

if she invites herself along 'no, that doesn't work for us'.

Donkeylovesmarzipanandmincepie · 31/12/2013 11:54

Wow. You are way more patient than I would be faced with that. Try, "Oh, sorry, family first!" be ruthless.
The old MN favourite, "That doesn't work for me/us" can be a useful variation.

I am not unkind, I do know people can be lonely or bored of their own company. But it is not fair of her to bulldoze her way into your life.

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 11:56

And stop asking her 'if it's convenient'

'We are leaving at 3'
'I can't be there for 3'
'Oh well, not to worry'

pumpkinsweetie · 31/12/2013 12:04

Blimey sounds tough!
The only thing i can say is slowly distance yourself away from her as she sounds like a big drain on your life. It's okay to feel sorry for her but don't allow that guilt to take over your life.

She is very selfish and doesn't seem to take the hint even when you have said a clear cut "No".
Get a spy hole for your front door and don't allow her in unless you have pre arranged it.

BlackDaisies · 31/12/2013 12:04

Yes I second calling her now and say something like "I mentioned to mum that you asked if you could come along, but mum has organised it as a family treat and wants to spend the time catching up with me and dd as we've all been ill and not really seen each other properly. We can arrange another time when it's just us." Make sure you remind her that she invited herself along. Don't feel guilty when she gets grumpy, see it as the first step in changing things.

SavoyCabbage · 31/12/2013 12:10

Yes, just tell her she can't come to the cinema. I think you feel a bit sorry for her so you feel bad for not including her in things but really she's fine and dandy.

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 12:14

Actually - you could have said 'ooh you are seeing your mum, can we all come?

BlackDaisies · 31/12/2013 12:36

Yes I second calling her now and say something like "I mentioned to mum that you asked if you could come along, but mum has organised it as a family treat and wants to spend the time catching up with me and dd as we've all been ill and not really seen each other properly. We can arrange another time when it's just us." Make sure you remind her that she invited herself along. Don't feel guilty when she gets grumpy, see it as the first step in changing things.

Peekingduck · 31/12/2013 13:08

The only thing I'd add to the advice above is to avoid using the word "sorry". For example, "Not this time friend. I'd like to keep this cinema trip to just me and mum this time. It's Mum's treat and I'm looking forward to some time just the two of us."
"We've already got plans for this afternoon. Can you come Wednesday am? No, oh never mind, give me a ring when you know what your plans are for next week, I'm sure we can sort something out."
Repeat as required.

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