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AIBU having plans made for me

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matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 13:49

Hello, I am genuinely unsure here. Today I had a row with DH in which I told him I was fed up with having my life always planned out for me. He got fed up in return and said I was being unreasonable.

A bit of backstory: we've been together ten years, married for six. We hardly ever quarrel, we're good friends as well as partners. No kids. I moved out to the UK from the US to live with him after we got married. He's 22 years older than I, which is never really a problem except for times like this. He's retired (just turning 65) whereas I have a rather challenging job which I love. I'm also studying towards a new qualification here.

We're both quite sociable, enjoy having teas out with friends or hosting little parties. I get on with all his old friends, we've made new friends together.

BUT here's the thing: there is this ongoing constant challenge (battle?) between his wanting to plan outings, holidays, weekends away--and me wanting to do less. I keep having to explain to him that I can't just take unlimited holidays from work, and that it's actually quite stressful to have to get home late Sunday night from yet another city break and get ready for work the next Monday. I also like to have a little time to myself sometimes, just an unstructured Sunday to take a run or stare out the window, you know? I guess I'm more of a nesty person.

It came to a head this morning. Friend A (same age as my husband, also retired) had long ago invited us round to hers for New Years Eve. She lives about a half hour away, said we could stay the night. Nice, right? No problem. Come back on New Years Day, plenty of time for me to get myself together to dive back into work on 2nd January.

Then a few days ago, she contacted my husband and said she'd actually found out we can use the flat of an acquaintance who lives up in a hiking/nature area about a three-hour drive away. Why don't we go up there on New Years Eve and stay over? We could all drive back together on New Years Day.

It was presented to me as a fait accompli. I said okay but I need to be back on the actual afternoon of New Years Day. I have a bit of prep work to do for appts on 2nd January. The first day back at work after a holiday is always a bear, isn't it? I'll be working a little on Monday but our office doesn't officially open again until 2nd Jan and there'll be a deluge.

Anyway, this morning it came out that Friend A might want to stay up in nature area a little longer, her son might be there, and I'm afraid I exploded a little at husband and said that I couldn't just hang around there all day while everyone dithered. I didn't want to be coming home late on the night before I have to dive back into work. I said I needed to leave at 2 and no later and he said, "Well, you'll have to negotiate that with Friend A."

I admit I got wound up and said that I was tired of having my life planned out for me. I told him I was sick of having plans just made and then presented to me, and that no one ever considers that I have to work.

He said, "Don't go if you don't want to go," but got a bit fed up with me and said I was being self-centred.

Right now I'm thinking if I go I will just be ready to take the train home New Years Eve morning (longish taxi ride to train station, but doable). Or you know what? Maybe I just won't go.

Really--if I'm being unreasonable tell me so. It is absolutely a first-world problem I know but it's really become a point of contention between us.

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OwlinaTree · 28/12/2013 13:52

Can you take your own car so you can drive back when you want to?

IamGluezilla · 28/12/2013 13:53

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VerucaInTheNutRoom · 28/12/2013 13:55

YANBU. I would be furious, even if I didn't have to go to work the next day. Surely it's just good manners to ask you before committing to Friend A? If I were you, I would get the train home and do your prep work on the journey.

ImagineJL · 28/12/2013 14:01

YANBU. Can you take your own car? I don't think there are many trains on new years day. Was he always like this about your work, or is it only since he retired?

CustardoPaidforIDSsYFronts · 28/12/2013 14:05

he needs to get a hobby, he sounds bored

maddy68 · 28/12/2013 14:08

We have similar conflicts I am a teacher and have to do loads of work at home, but I'm also the one the plans social activities which my dh would rather not attend! I put myself under so much pressure to fit everything in!
I can understand your dh, he needs to fill his time.
I would just go in your own car, compromise is the key here and come back when it suits you

Phineyj · 28/12/2013 14:43

YANBU, I am a teacher and I get irritated with this sort of behaviour from the retired, non-working and lightly employed - it is annoying to have to essentially grovel/travel separately in order to allowed sufficient time to prepare for work! Just decide what you need and make travel plans that accommodate that. Train is always good though as you can get a bit of work done.

Phineyj · 28/12/2013 14:44

I meant to add that keeping your job should not be perceived as a luxury by your partner unless his pension scheme is very generous.

matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 14:53

Thank you!

Ah, I should have clarified re: car. Friend A recently had surgery so she can't drive, so she is taking train to our house on 31st Dec so that we can all drive up to Nature Area together. Then we're all driving home together as well on New Years Day. DH and I only have the one car.

Right now I am debating whether: 1. I will go, and then just plan on leaving New Years Day morning by train (there will be a train, I've checked). Or 2. stay home and wish them a happy new year from the comfort of my living room.

Glad to hear that others would feel the same way. Yes, it's definitely a problem of his being retired and wanting to have things scheduled rather than just Doing Nothing. Friend A is lovely, I love spending time with her but she is a ditherer--which fair dues, that's the whole point of being retired. But I'm working!

Maddy68, why plan all the social activities which your husband doesn't want to attend? He sounds like he's like me and would rather chill at home--why don't you just go on your own?

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joanofarchitrave · 28/12/2013 14:58

Sounds like you need to plan 'Home Days' and 'Home Evenings'. Block them out every weekend regularly in the calendar (do you have a calendar? You need one). If it's not in the calendar, it doesn't get priority. If it's in the calendar, it doesn't get changed without extensive consultation.

The great thing about this is that you non-aggressively make it clear how important having Home Time is to you. And also, you don't have to get cross about not being consulted - the calendar gets cross for you. If anything is mentioned to you, you just say 'Oh that sounds nice - what's in the calendar? - oh, it's a home day. Yes I remember now, Thursday will be CRAZY at work, that's not good for me. Why don't we go up early in February instead?'

Just don't skimp on what you book in.

Iamsparklyknickers · 28/12/2013 15:04

YANBU.

Personally in your shoes, I would go with option b on the basis that it cut's out all the stress of making alternative arrangements and doesn't allow for more bickering and un-comfortableness just because you're leaving early. It also makes the point that you have to allow for work more valid.

That relies on you actually not minding being alone on NYE, sounds like bliss to me, but don't do it if you would resent it later on.

matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 15:06

And YES phineyJ, you know just how I feel! Grovelling and negotiating all the time just to have sufficient time to work.

And then one does need time to decompress after work too. I mean, he'll just come to me and say, for instance, "You work till five on Friday, right? So why don't you just get the 5:05 train out of WorkTown and you'll be in Edinburgh by 8:45 that night! Then we'll get back late on Sunday night so you'll be fresh as a daisy for Monday morning!"

And then he'll act all surprised when I say no.

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matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 15:12

Yes, JoanofArchitrive--that's exactly what I do! There is a leisure centre close to where I live, and I book in regular classes for evenings and weekends. So if anyone wants to Do Something for one of those days, I say, "Aw, I'd love to but I've already reserved a space in a class, and then I'll be all gross afterwards, too bad!"

Things have been better since he's got involved in bridge, etc. I just have this feeling that I have to be all vigilant, because the moment I stop actively carving out time for myself and for work, then this junk happens.

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joanofarchitrave · 28/12/2013 15:13

yes but it doesn't have to be a class - just book out time to be at home.

PicaK · 28/12/2013 15:15

Have u always had 1 car? If you're not shortof funds why not hire one for that weekend?

matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 15:24

We're not rich rich, we're both by nature kind of frugal and there are no kids so we feel like we have enough.

Hiring a car up there might be more hassley than the train!

To answer an earlier question: we would probably get by on husband's pension alone (with a lot of scrimping) but I have no desire to not work. I love my job (paralegal) and I'm working towards being a solicitor here. I'm only 43 and I want to see how far I can go. It's just a different life stage from husband.

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matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 15:39

Also, when husband was working he was a freelance writer/editor/teacher. He is a conscientious, hardworking person and took great pains in his work. However, since he hasn't had an office job since his thirties, I think he just doesn't appreciate that feeling of showing up at work at 8 and having to be ON for the next 8-9 hours or so. My working day is full onwhich is not a whine, that's what makes it excitingbut I have to collapse a bit afterwards.

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maddy68 · 28/12/2013 15:44

Because I like to do loads of things because my fee time is limited I like to pack things in and the Aston I want my dh with me is because I want to do them with him as well as my friends otherwise we end up leading separate lives

maddy68 · 28/12/2013 15:47

God I should proof read before I post!
Free time
Reason :)

matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 15:47

Maddy68, that's nice to hear, I think in a way you're in the same mindset of my husband. He's like, "What's wrong with having fun! That's the whole point of life!" And I'm just like--can't we have fun chilling at home?

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maddy68 · 28/12/2013 16:00

I always remember my old boss saying to me on his retirement (I am a workaholic)
He said " no one on their death bed says I wish I had worked a bit harder"

Made me think actually, I work to live now not live to work I have only had about. 2 free weekends this entire year, we have great memories of things that have happened. Your husband is a lot older than you, how many more years of frivolities will you have before he actually cannot do all these things, then you will have your quiet home time.

matildamatilda · 28/12/2013 16:16

Now, see I've heard the deathbed story before and I am not sure I buy it.

I can just as easily see myself on my deathbed saying, "I could have been a solicitor in the UK! Why didn't I give it more of a shot?"

And going on a rushed, overscheduled day away, and fuming and fretting whilst everyone dithers--that's not a good memory!

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RedHelenB · 28/12/2013 16:29

let them get the train back & you leave when you want - problem sorted!

motherinferior · 28/12/2013 16:36

Yep, deathbed cliche always has me thinking up all sorts of reasons why one should say it...

manticlimactic · 28/12/2013 18:23

If friend A is reliant on a lift home then surely she doesn't get to dictate when she leaves? Ring her and talk to her.