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Reporting family to police.

50 replies

trustingnoone · 23/12/2013 20:02

A member of my family has expressed their disappointment that I reported a family member to the police for physically manhandling me out of another family members house.
I was not asked to leave beforehand by the householder or the person who manhandled me out, lifting me off of my feet in the process and barging past my DC.
Apparently, being lifted and literally thrown out of a house is not enough to warrant calling the police and reporting for assault if the perpetrator is a member of the family.
Obviously the family member is now very angry with me, and some other family members, although careful not to take sides, have told me that I was unreasonable to involve the police.
I was left with substantial bruising btw.

I see family members as people, and I believe if I would call the police on a neighbour or stranger doing the same thing, then I will report family to police too.

All of the people I am referring to in this post are adults btw, except the DC I mentioned.

Where is the line drawn?

Would you report a family member to the police for something you would have no hesitation reporting someone who wasn't family for?

Should allowances be made simply because the perpetrator is family?

Your thoughts please?

OP posts:
trustingnoone · 23/12/2013 20:49

random Do your family insinuate you were wrong? Did they feel compelled to sweep things under the carpet? If they did, how did you/do you cope with that? Do you ever wobble?

I think there is a time and a place for being physically hands on with someone even if it harms the person.
If my children were running into the path of a lorry, I would have no issue with someone pulling them out of harms way, even if my child got temporarily injured. Better that than permanently injured or worse imo.

I am not against someone being manhandled, pushed or pulled if it was to save them from a greater danger. This situation did not warrant any of those things.

OP posts:
FortyDoorsToNowhere · 23/12/2013 21:00

Sorry if it seemed like I was blaming the OP.

Just getting a better idea.

Going by all your post YANBU.

randomAXEofkindness · 23/12/2013 21:09

Every single one of them thought I was wrong. A third of the family are career criminals, involving the police is anathema to them. There is a strong ethos within the family not to 'grass' on people. The only people this philosophy benefits are the aggressors; their victims are too afraid to speak out; the rest are too afraid to get involved or admit that their son/husband/dad is a waste of space. Some of them just enjoy the 'glamor' Confused involved, and want to be a part of it.

One of my brothers lived with me for six months. In that time, he ran somebody over, put a new mum's door through and kicked her dog to death while she cowered in a corner with her baby (the straw that broke the camels back for me), sold drugs, stole drugs, kidnapped a drug dealer and tortured him, threatened various people on a daily basis, beat somebody up on a weekly basis... I could go on and on (yes this is real life).

It was absolutely clear to me in my conversations with him that while he talked the talk about what he would do if somebody went to the police, and he pressured them to drop the charges (which usually worked) when the odd person did it and persevered, he would drop it. I've done it and it worked - I got out scot free. His ex-partner did it and it worked - she got out scot free.

Your family sound like the kind of people you could do without.

Theknacktoflying · 23/12/2013 21:13

Yanbu - but then 'Normal rules' never really seems to apply to family members! (In my humble experience)

I think my point is that because it is family, often there is a reticence to report members and difficult for the police to handle...

complexnumber · 23/12/2013 21:22

Crickey randomAxe you are a strong woman!

complexnumber · 23/12/2013 21:28

And I admire you more than you'll probably imagine.

It's women like you that hold our society together.

Thank you

lljkk · 23/12/2013 21:34

I think in OP's situation that most people would cut contact with the brother and keep contact very limited with the mother, rather than go down the criminal charges route. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, but I would choose the path that felt easiest for me to keep my sanity.

Creating horrid feeling with the family is not usually a good route to sanity.

I do have crazy & criminal relatives, so not talking completely hypothetically.

PeriodFeatures · 23/12/2013 21:39

friday16 Grin

Mia4 · 23/12/2013 22:22

YADNBU OP. Your brother sounds aggressive and toxic and your family members sound weak, possibly toxic themselves and enabling. I don't think you should worry about their opinions because they sound like they can't formulate any of their own and just go for the easy life, expecting you to put up with his bad behaviour and aggression like they are.

Andro · 23/12/2013 22:29

but given the whole background i wouldnt have wanted to inflame the situation between you both further.

Getting the police involved is just going to make a bad situation even worse.

but there is also an argument not to exacerbate things

Had OP been referencing a partner's/husband's actions and stated that she had significant bruising, the response (along with LTB) would be to call the police and report the assault. She wouldn't be receiving comments from people suggesting that she shouldn't 'inflame' the situation or that calling the police will just make things worse, she'd be receiving support for getting help and protecting her dc (who apparently witnessed their mother being manhandled and were barged by an angry adult in the process).

'You shouldn't have made me mad' and 'it your fault I hurt you' are stock phrases of abusers, they blame their victims for their own lack of control. There's no way that OP should be having to tread on eggshells and accept being verbally abused.

OP, you did the right thing in reporting him.

Sparklyboots · 23/12/2013 22:37

YANBU OP, and for all those asking what the OP did to 'make' the other person involved get physical, or advising her to continue enabling it YABU

Holdthepage · 23/12/2013 23:06

You did the right thing & your family are fools for not supporting you. Maybe your aggressive relative will think twice before putting his hands on you again.

HarryStottle · 24/12/2013 00:28

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BlackeyedShepherdswatchsheep · 24/12/2013 00:47

domestic violence is not just between partners it is between sons nd mothers and brothers and sisters.

ZillionChocolate · 24/12/2013 06:56

YWNBU. The rest of your family are wrong to support him assaulting you. Hope it nevers happens again.

OneOfMyTurnsComingOn · 24/12/2013 07:14

Definitely the right thing to do. Well done for being strong.

Morloth · 24/12/2013 07:14

YWNBU.

Perhaps it would be best to distance yourself from these people who regularly beat each other up and then pretend it never happened?

It is all a problem certainly, but it doesn't have to be your problem and by exposing your children to it, you are actively continuing the cycle.

sashh · 24/12/2013 08:45

YANBU

HECTheHeraldAngelsSing · 24/12/2013 09:35

I think you did the right thing.
why on earth should people take abuse from someone just because they're family?
thats reason to expect BETTER treatment of you not worse!

I suspect that years of people allowing him to behave as he does is the reason he is how he is now.

it is high time someone said no, you will not behave like this. And made him face the full consequences of his choices.

trustingnoone · 24/12/2013 09:53

I have spent most of the night tossing and turning, mainly because I am angry that when I have tried to explain why I want no contact with my brother and why I reported him, why I feel that by continuing to invite him to events, knowing I cannot go if he is there, and he is invited to every single event, because it's not right to leave him out, the response from my sister and mum is 'I wasn't there' or 'I didn't see what happened.'

They appear to be so desperate to fix the problem and they resort to the same solution every time which is to minimise and sweep under the carpet. It is very hurtful to be assaulted and then for your own mother and sister to say 'I am not taking sides, I didn't actually see what happened so I cannot judge the situation.'
It makes me feel as though they don't trust me.

I only know if a friend or a relative told me they had been assaulted or mistreated or attacked, my last response would be 'Well, I'm not going to make any kind of stand against them or do anything other than remain neutral to you both because I wasn't there, and I didn't see it.'

I understand the desire to sit on the fence, but my brother now avoids me like the plague, which is fine. If I walk in, he walks out if he hasn't managed to walk out before I arrived. This is fine, but I am sad that my children and I, having spent every Christmas visiting relatives over the Christmas period, are now, for the first time spending Christmas alone, because my brother and mum have been invited to Christmas lunch at my sisters, therefore I have not.
My sister invited my brother, although god only knows why she wants him around her children after what he did to me, again it's not that important or she doesn't believe me, not sure which, and although I have invited my mum to have Christmas dinner with me and my children, because mum says she doesn't want to go to my sisters and leave me alone on Christmas day, mum has declined and said she would rather sit in her house alone on Christmas day so she is free to go where she wants for as long as she wants on Christmas day and I think I know where my mum will end up. She will end up at my sisters, with the whole family.

Apparently this is called 'not getting involved, and remaining neutral' It sure doesn't feel that way to me.

Happy Christmas everyone. I think I would prefer to be alone than join in this farce. I know that if any of my children were ever assaulted or attacked by anyone, I would not reserve judgement or support just because I did not see what happened. I would trust my child and support them. I would not invite their assaulter or attacker into my home again, even if the assaulter was another one of my children.

AFA my family is concerned, this is the wrong attitude to take. Maybe it is, but I would never want my children to feel the way I do. It's little wonder the men in my family see it as such a petty thing to behave this way when the women turn a blind eye to it whilst proclaiming loudly that they think it's wrong. Actions speaks louder than words doesn't it?

There's none so blind as those who cannot see. Sad

OP posts:
trustingnoone · 24/12/2013 09:55

HEC I agree, but I am the only one to have done this, I'm not sure it is very effective at getting the no tolerance message across if the only person making a stand, stands alone.

OP posts:
ChatNicknameUnavailable · 24/12/2013 10:06

Is it always unreasonable for someone to manhandle someone out of their home? No, not always. I can say that with certainty as I have seen df do it to my sister.

Tbh you sound exactly like my sister. Very principled, whiter than white and always in the right, standing up for wjat is good and true and damning anyone else who ever makes a mistake.

My sisters idea of 'not allowing the family to brush things under the carpet' is to pick and pick and bully those around her until she gets her way. There is no such thing as putting the past behind you or trying to move on...arguements that happened two years ago will get dragged up and thrown in people's face by her, prefferably with as large an audience as possible, in the attempt to prove to others wjat an awful human being she is.

No event/situation is out of bounds. She has caused mayhem in Christmas, my dc's birthdays etc. She has driven my parents almost to the point of divorce by playing them against each other and was the main driving force in my mum and I arguing and not speaking for a month earlier this year.

In short, she is a cunt. A troublemaker that wants to cause as much chaos as possible before jumping on her 'holier than thou' platform and watching her work unfold.

Df bodily (and none to gently) threw her out of my mums house a few months ago after watching her baiting people until my mum and dad were arguing and my dc were crying. The only regret I had at the time was that he didn't do it from a first floor window.

ChatNicknameUnavailable · 24/12/2013 10:07

To prove what an awful human being they are that should be.

HoHolepew · 24/12/2013 10:12

DV is never acceptable, no matter who it's from. I'm sorry your mum and sister aren't supporting you, you definitely did the right thing.
Hope you have a peaceful Christmas Xmas Smile

glasgowsteven · 24/12/2013 10:44

No matter why they did what they did, they did it.

You did the correct thing by challenging their behaviour.

You just reported the facts to the police....they then took the action they felt appropriate.

if you ignore it you accept it.

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