Teachers gave the best job in the world. Fact.

[Oakmaiden]

I mean, don't do it if you are afraid of hard work, or want to be rich. But absolutely the best job.

Yes I don't think many people would teach if it weren't for the holidays to be honest.

This applies to America but I expect the same is true of here.

Essentially we're all squabbling over a pittance, whilst very few, who I can guarantee don't work any harder than anyone here, have the vast, vast majority of the wealth. They are also the people selling us the idea that it's the poorest who should be paying for "austerity".

I dont get the holodays thing. Some teachers seem to saythey are paid for the holidays ( like the one on a recent thread ho wanted to hand ger notice in so shed get paid for the christmas break) and others say they dont. Can it vary or is it universal and if so who is right

There you go, fully derailed, sorry.

I bloody love teaching!

As you were...

Sorry if im adding to the derailing! Started as a lovely thread, I dont agree teachers have the best job ever but thats only because I think I do :)

stealth teacher get paid in the holidays, but not for them I think. So they are only get paid for 192 days or whatever it is, but get paid at the end of every calendar month.

So if we got paid for 365 days we would be laughing, it would be a very good salary!

So in this case why should it matter when sge handed her motice in? In the two weeks 'off' she'd either be getting paid for work she'd already done, which theyd have to paty even if her notice finished at the start of thr hols or for work she would do in january which theyd presuma b ly want back even if her notice is for the end of the hols.
Yet all the posters on the thread were telling her to hand in her notice so her contract ended at the end of the hols so she got no paid for them

I love being a teacher.

Home at 3.30, fifty weeks off a year AND I get to ruin children's lives.

What's not to like?

Ha ha! for Tethers

Lol tethers where do I apply?
It's been ages since we've had a good teacher bashing thread

Apols for typos
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A few of the obvious ones :)

Are we always comparing like for like? I have done 5 years of Uni to be a teacher; does a nursery manager require university qualifications? I genuinely don't know, and in an ideal world I would say they should be well qualified and well paid as the early years are fundamental in children 's development. But my sister is a carer who left school at 16 and I recently had to point out that the time I had spent studying, not to mention the debt I accrued should translate to higher earnings. Otherwise what's the point?

I have to have an early years degree for nursery manager. You can do it with NVQ but its very rare to see it advertised now where I am. I have 2.1 degree and post graduate Early Years Professional status.

And yes I have about 20k student debt.

Annie, I agree nursery staff should be paid better. If we look elsewhere in Europe, governments invest in their young people far more heavily than here.

We often have lower achieving students going off to work in nurseries when surely all staff should be trained early years specialists competent in maths and English (as a minimum).

Although the flip side is that you don't need a degree to be a good carer of young children. My CM is amazing - I am more qualified than her, but she's way better at looking after and educating DS than I could be! So maybe compulsory entry requirements wouldn't be helpful.

We pay a fortune for childcare, and it's difficult to say I think childminders and nurseries should earn more when I know we can't afford to pay any more. But I'm sure investment from government is key. The Swedish systems around maternity and childcare provision is apparently a good model, but I don't know how it works.

You probably do need a degree for the papaerwork side regaining. I have to do so many paper based tasks including writing court reports, doctors reports, running an entire ofsted etc.

I dont think you need one for childminding as childminding is obviously easier and much more straightforward.

I didn't know that. The difference between management and front line caring staff then, perhaps?

But there's the thing: my perception of nursery workers/childminders is being elbow deep in playdoh and having all nursery rhymes memorised! But I don't know the half of it. Still, I don't qualify my comments of early years professionals enjoyment of their work with comments such as those given about teachers. (Not that you have, this isn't personal, just an illustration and an effort to return to the purpose of the thread).

I hope the nursery staff and childminders enjoy their work as much as I enjoy mine. And I wish they could be better rewarded for their dedication, empathy, and enthusiasm.

Your perception is extremely wrong and many nursery staff do just as much if not more than teachers. Its just we dont moan as much

You've missed the point. I don't know what a nursery worker does, so I can't, and don't, berate them for perceived inequalities. You're not a secondary teacher, so you don't know what we do, so you can't say nursery workers do more.

Comparing limes with bicycles.

I went to nursery once, and now my son goes, but that doesn't mean I know the job.

People went to school, and now have children at school, but assume they do know the job.

I wouldnt say it wasnt hard but there are very significant benefits eg holidays, not that many hands on hours with the childre only 9-3 with all the breaks, raises etc. I dont know why teachers complain on mn constantly tbh as if they are working 180 hours a week down a mine (not all)

Cqn anyone explain the holiday thing? Seems really strange to me

I left teaching last year.

I loved teaching 5 years ago. Now? Not so much!
I loved the kids, the creativity, the excitement for learning...

The children may only be in from 9-3 ( actually 8.35-3.15 but let's not quibble!) but I'm in from 7 o'clock until 4.30 and work at least another 12-15 hours at home on top. ( I've just finished working for today, will be working at least 3-4 hours a day over the holidays at home and 2-3 days in school)
The hours from 9-3 are the best hours of work in the world, the rest is the pits!