To not understand common attitudes to disposable personal hygiene products?

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I'm confronted by this again and again on MN, and I confess I don't understand why it's OK to justify using disposable nappies, wet wipes, sanitary protection etc? Why is it OK to add so much rubbish to the world on the justification of convenience when there are alternatives that are still easy but generate less or no waste? Use a flannel, use a moon up, put/hold your baby regularly over a toilet/ potty, use modern easy quick drying cloth nappies. Why's it OK to recoil in horror at the hippyness of such things? But it's ok to continue buying disposable rubbish from huge corporations and throw them into landfill? Apart from an argument of "each to their own", aibu to not get it?

I am amazed at 37 to learn so much this evening!!!!
Moon cups, washable tampons, holding babies over toilets ..... Really! !
None of my children "toileted" on cue as soon as the nappy was removed.
Reuseable nappies I have heard of...

I am amazed at 37 to learn so much this evening!!!!
Moon cups, washable tampons, holding babies over toilets ..... Really! !
None of my children "toileted" on cue as soon as the nappy was removed.
Reuseable nappies I have heard of...

Well, so far I've turned down opportunities out of environmental concerns. When they come again, I simply won't go any further than Europe, and I'll be planning my trip around ferries and trains.

Is there no middle ground between the OP and Bruce Dickinson? Really?

Tbh, some of my best friends are (whisper it) ... Vegetarians.
We don 't fly when we can help it, and commute using public transport.

However, I don 't think people who disagree with me are lazy, selfish, or uneducated.

But it's that kind of sanctimonious carping that we all read up thread than give us liberal tree huggers a bad name.

Some of the OP's pronouncements are the very definition of joylessness.

We 're all having a lovely time in the pub destroying our Priuses.

Thanks jessie.

The problem with the eco nazis one occasionally meets is that they are indeed often joyless, and also small minded/unimaginative/parochial.

There's a better way, where there is nothing wrong with a bit of flying as long as we don't go mad doing it all the time for frivolous reasons. But we should recognise ultimately we should probably be campaigning for better trains/ferries and cheaper ticket prices, so they are a real alternative.

Nothing wrong with driving, ditto. Probably time to lower VAT on bikes and so on. Probably time for better cycle lanes.

In the bigger scheme of things, there's nothing badly wrong with using disposables, or disposables and washable nappies simutaneously, but it would probably be better to campaign for better disposables that compost down really nicely. And make them cheaper as well.

Nothing wrong with eating a bit of meat, but we should be campaigning for better animal welfare and tastier vegetables/pulses, and less white sugar and salt in everything.

Some people are picking the wrong battles.

Caroline do you realise how many favours I had to call in to get you Bruce?!

Fine, have Sharon Osbourne then.

Slight hijack alert - I just have to say I love Cabin Pressure too, Caroline! And not just because it has Benedict Cumberbatch in it. 'It's less of an airline and more of an air-dot'...

I used the phrase breast feeding Nazi once on MN. Never again - it wasn't worth the wrath I incurred. Why is "eco - Nazi" acceptable then? I don't think environmental concerns featured much in Mein Kampf, though to be fair, I haven't read it.

Though as for the rest of your post Boffin, it's upsettingly well balanced and sensible :)

Eco stuff would have been right up the Nazis' street. All that blood and soil stuff, nature, filthy Marxist coal defiling clean German air. I'm sure they did actually.

I've already had a detailed argument this week with a misogynist on language typical of the internet MRA movement, and how radical feminism cannot be realistically compared to Nazism unless you're a bigoted little shit, so I can't be bothered today. It only achieved him trying to regain the moral high ground in another thread by claiming that watching "World at War" was educational TV, and that the fact that it was mainly watched by men demonstrated men's intellectual superiority.

But it's not very Eco friendly genius.

The lemon is in play.

What a nob, Jessie.

I just find it very sad, not to say alarming, that people bracket the little things people do e.g recycling, avoiding trawled fish, cycling and train travel rather than the car, into a corner. "Oh I didn't realise you were an eco-warrier." Er, I for one am not an eco warrier, just a human being with some legitimate concerns. Or am I actually an "ecoNazi"?

Good news is that he was aware enough of how duff his argument that watching "World at War" and the Most Sexy Russian Tanks in 1944 (okay, okay it's not called that) was respecting and commemorating the atrocities, that he didn't try it on me!

He tried it on someone else, half-way across the forum, and got torn to pieces!

It's reminiscent of some aspects of National Socialism as it relies on

a) unscientific compliance
b) little women at home doing little things to perpetuate the impression of activity whilst keeping them out of the way and uncomplaining
c) it ignores great big issues few people are brave enough to debate properly, like the impact of Chinese expansionism on the planet.

Re c) you can debate properly all you like. You can't do anything about China. We should all do nothing because of China?

At least some people do rather than merely talk.

And, I know I can only speak for myself, but I'm not a little woman doing little things to perpetuate the impression of activity whilst keeping out of the way.

You can insult and compare to Nazism all you please. It doesn't really do your argument many favours.

Doing what I can in my life doesn't stop me thinking about the bigger picture. It doesn't placate me and stop me wanting to change the world and doing what i can. but it is one area that i can make an instant impact in, and not making rubbish vs making rubbish is not a difficult decision to me.

I dont buy this do nothing because it makes such a small difference attitude. but i do now see how prevalant it is.

oh and thanks for the joyless insult/assumption too. I'll add it to all the others this thread has given me. i still don't agree that it's ok to keep flinging insults at me. but i guess i had it comingfor being rude in saying that people who say they can't be arsed are lazy, who dismiss things without trying them are uneducated and who think that it's their right to do what the want because it's convenient and they've paid for it are arrogant.

oh and i'm a nazi too. excellent. keep it coming.

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Holding a baby over the toilet what a load of mother earth tosh, making life hard for yourself and your babies.

Fine to be eco and try using some eco products but to slate those that choose otherwise is beyond stupid.

Probably the same sort of jobby that drives a 4x4 whilst lecturing the world on the eco system

God, OP, you sound tiresome! It's entirely up to me what I put in my fanny, thanks very much.

Ooh there's another one. "Earth mother tosh".

Fuck me, people talk some bollocks.

And yes, everyone who tries to do a little bit is undoubtedly a hard-of-thinking hypocrite and who no doubt drives a 4x4

I love the way people who throw China into the mix think they have scored the winning goal in the argument, as though they are the intellectually superior being who has managed to think it all through.

I agree with Holla

So sticking a newborn on a potty is much better for baby than using a nappy?

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