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AIBU to ask you to watch this clip and ask you never to forget those mentioned in it: Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko, Victoria Mxenge, unsung heroes like Neil Agett

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wordsmithsforever · 12/12/2013 10:34

And all the other people who were hurt and killed trying to achieve a better South Africa.

This thread is inspired by the amazing atmosphere here in SA at the moment and a recent, very beautiful flash mob tribute to Nelson Mandela, here in South Africa by the Soweto Gospel Choir. See .

The video features the protest song Asimbonang' uMandela thina (We have not seen Mandela).

It was written in 1986 during the state of emergency by Johnny Clegg, when Nelson Mandela was still in prison and is of course even more poignant now that he is gone.

After watching the flash mob video, I watched the full version of the song in which Johnny Clegg lists – in protest - three people who were killed in detention: Steve Biko, Neil Agett and Victoria Mxenge.

I’d obviously heard of Steve Biko (who was honoured in the film Cry Freedom) and Victoria Mxenge (who was killed when I was at university which I remember). However, I couldn’t remember a thing about Neil Agett, despite regarding myself as fairly informed South African (who was a tiny fish in the anti-apartheid struggle).

The story of Neil Agett is heart breaking. He died in 1982. He was a white South African medical doctor who worked at (mostly black) hospitals. He then became involved in the trade union movement, helping with the organisation of (mostly black) workers. He was detained and horrifically tortured by the apartheid police. The details are too terrible to write here. He was then (allegedly) found hanging in his cell. It was claimed he killed himself.

His funeral was attended by thousands of singing workers. His coffin was carried out of the church by black nurses from his hospital. They refused to put the coffin in the hearse and instead carried it for 8 miles in the blazing SA heat, surrounded by hostile riot policemen. At one point, the police knelt down and aimed their guns at the nurses. The nurses put this white man’s coffin down and faced the police. Eventually, the police moved away. Then they picked up the coffin again and they continued to the burial place. It’s stuff like this which makes me realize I live in one of the most amazing countries in the world.

Neil’s two torturers have never been brought to justice. The one policeman is dead. The other surviving one did not avail himself of the opportunity to seek amnesty via the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. He has apparently done very nicely for himself as a security consultant in post apartheid SA, even working for the government! There is now a campaign to make him face some sort of justice.

I think Neil’s story and all the others should never be forgotten.

A version of the song with Madiba singing along is at www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGS7SpI7obY

Full lyrics here - see www.songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858701028/

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wordsmithsforever · 12/12/2013 10:35

By the way, I'm posting in AIBU not because I'm looking for a fight but because I think this story needs to be better known.

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sashh · 12/12/2013 12:30

That's beautiful.

Dawndonnaagain · 12/12/2013 14:22

I sincerely doubt that there were any genuine suicides or shower slippage incidents in prisons during the apartheid years.

daisychain01 · 12/12/2013 14:56

Thank you for the links etc wordsmiths I will definitely check them out later.

May I contribute to your post by saying how dismayed I was watching the news last night at the phoney sign-language interpreter who has since disappeared (including the agency from where he was recruited).

How utterly cynical and vile to create an embargo on the true words of the eulogy at Mandela's funeral - thank goodness that the media is able to raise awareness of this to the world. Shocking -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627#

On the news, they showed a comparison between the phoney sign language and a genuine signer and the fake signing bore no resemblance. Even as someone who knows nothing about signing, I thought that he was just waving his arms around and stopping well short of the actual words - I was thinking "but surely he has left most of that sentence out .... how will people understand??"

wordsmithsforever · 12/12/2013 15:12

Dawndonnaagain I doubt it too. There was speculation that they killed him and then hung him up. Sad Also speculation that after all the torture he was simply terrified he'd give up his comrades.

daisychain01 There's a rumour here that the signing man was schizophrenic and became overwhelmed at the task. There's another that he was signing "in Zulu". Hmm It's all very strange that they couldn't find someone to just do the job because lots of programmes here are signed (now beginning to wonder if they're fakes too)!

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BigFatGoalie · 12/12/2013 16:03

As a fellow South African, reading that has made my cry (for the umpteenth time this week)
May we never forget.

wordsmithsforever · 12/12/2013 16:58

Sorry BFG . The clip itself (which has now apparently gone viral) shows a much happier side to SA, although still a very touching tribute obviously.

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