to think deporting Trenton Oldfield is just mean

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Trenton Oldfield is the man who disrupted the boat race a couple of years ago.

He is an Australian married to a Briton with a baby daughter. He has lived in the UK for 12 years.

He has applied for a spousal visa and it has been rejected.

He did a stupid thing, for which he has paid with a prison sentence and a criminal record, why punish him more?

Exactly what good will it do to deport him?

Exactly how much harm will it do?

I have not put a link, there are loads of newspaper articles, web pages etc outlining the case.

friday, I've seen your posts on some other threads (about primary education, for instance) and they have always seemed to me to be sane and lucid.

But using terms like the poor misunderstood dual-nationals is Daily Fail talk. It's inflammatory. I never said they were all good people; I said that they were British citizens who deserve due process like every other British citizen.

But again, I'm straying away from the Oldfield topic.

Home today with poorly DS. Need to get off computer and do something about my trainwreck of a house.

No need to sigh. I am not an expert in immigration law, simply trying to summarise what I thought another poster had explained. If I've got it wrong, why not point that out without being patronising?

Actually I have changed my mind.

He absolutely should be allowed to stay.

It does seem very OTT. Could be a breach of right to family life, stop equating his case with international terrorists!

I said that they were British citizens who deserve due process

And Oldfield isn't even a British citizen, and is getting due process. Which level of judicial appeal is he on today? Could you point out which part of the process he's gone through that doesn't meet up with your, or indeed international, standards?

Sorry, AngelaDavies, I didn't mean to be patronising. I am just frustrated with posters repeating that criminal conviction results in automatic deportation, because it doesn't. See my post today at 10:01:35.

Morloth??? Are you serious?

Thank you. And apologies back. I should actually be snarking at DH, who is like a grumpy hungover teenager in the mornings and expects me to take the role of his mother in getting him out of bed (rage, seethe), rather than posters on MN.

Yup.

Thinking about it. Britain is going to want reimbursement for the flight. Then I am sure there will be a tussle in the Australian courts. He doesn't seem the type to get a job so we will have to support him.

Right now he is your expense/problem.

Lets keep it that way, eh?

So I have changed my mind and agree it would be mean to deport him. Mean to Oz. But mean nonetheless.

All yours.

I can't believe they conceived a child to strengthen his case. That's fucking sick.

They didn't conceive a child to strengthen his case. Some posters on this thread have alleged that they conceived a child for that reason, but it's only speculation.

Couples in long-term relationships often decide to start families.

I feel a sigh coming on again.

Call me a cynic, but conceiving when you know there is a very real possibility you are about to be deported is ILL ADVISABLE at best.

This thread is upsetting me. The child is here now, the circumstances of her conception are frankly irrelevant. Have you seen the picture of this child? Her innocent little face? Those clamouring for her family to be split up & her father deported - simply to teach him a lesson - seem very vindictive to me.

<a class="break-all" href="//www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/boat-race-protester-trenton-oldfield-wins-appeal-deportation" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/boat-race-protester-trenton-oldfield-wins-appeal-deportation

The argument is unnecessary now. He has won his appeal.

It's all irrelevant, as he isn't being deported anyway.

The due process he was supposedly being denied, and the conspiracy amongst the establishment which was plotting against him, appear to have come to his aid.

Mind you, he's still an arse.

"He said he was not willing to subject his wife to racial abuse and possibly violence in Australia that he said had been targeted at people of "Hindu origin". He complained of "water-cooler racism" and "passive aggressive racism" in the country."

So let's get this straight, Trenton: one definition of racism might be making sweeping statements about the political and ethical views of large groups of people defined mostly by their ethnicity. Pot. Meet Kettle.

Totally agree that there is a ridiculous level of inequality in this country. But his action was stupid and mis-targeted. He is inarticulate, naive and, dare I say it, a bit thick. So I couldn't summon up much sympathy, although I actually don't think deporting him was fair. Anyway, he's won his appeal, so OTT wailing about his child and her "innocent little face" (retch) can stop now.

Gutted.

<a class="break-all" href="//www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/thames-boat-race-protester-asks-tribunal-to-overturn-deportation?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/thames-boat-race-protester-asks-tribunal-to-overturn-deportation?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

A former schoolmate at Bradfield College boarding school in Berkshire seems to suggest he wasn't always so contemptuous of the elite!

Christ alive it's not the Disney channel ease up on the innocent wee face schmaltz

I thought the "innocent little face" post was sarcastic hyperbole, tbh.

I think a fair few on mn would have drummed up some mula for his flight home

I thought it was to begin with, Edith, but re-reading it seems to be deadly serious.

Perhaps currentbuns can clarify if she can overcome her terrible "upset".

Buns post,it's 100%ham.innocent wee face. Christ will no one think of the wean