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To be absolutely furious, stressed, angry and in state of panic about this?

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nicecupoftea2013 · 06/12/2013 17:31

There has been restructuring in work, so we had to go for an interview for our jobs. There are enough vacancies for staff as some had left.

My interview went well, a person on the panel said "well done" as we were walking out.

I then get a phone call saying "interview was for another position also (not advertised) and when we spoke to a manager, he said no, he doesn't want you to have the job."

The next day I get a phone call, saying you have failed the interview, you are being made redundant.

I am furious, as I am a great employee. The chair of the interview panel has made sexist comments, and broken confidentiality when he spoke about another candidate. He has done other things too which raises serious questions about his professionalism and integrity.

Unfortunately, the other person on the panel is ambitious and will say anything to keep in favour with the managers.

As a widow, I am really stressed about being made redundant, especially when I have done nothing wrong. Obviously it isn't a nice job with these managers, but I would prefer to work here than be unemployed. I am scared of being unemployed as there is high unemployment in north of England.

I have asked for feedback, but the answers were vague and non committal, saying I didnt score enough points. He rushed through my interview as he had another meeting, and he even answered his mobile phone in somebody elses interview.

I have been treated appallingly by the whole process. Although, I face a risk of being bullied if I stay, I would prefer that to being on the dole.

I am waking up at night panicking and seeing these managers faces.

OP posts:
Rhiana1979 · 06/01/2014 12:18

Keep fighting x

nicecupoftea2013 · 11/01/2014 09:23

Thanks everybody x

BakerStreetSaxRift, I also believe it wont go to a tribunal, it will be too embarrassing for them.

I finally have a meeting arranged, in two weeks time! My case is prepared, and what a case it is! I am looking forward to it.

My fear now is that they will cancel the meeting, and just give me my job. I really want the meeting to explain everything that has happened. I need the meeting to help me make closure. I would like an apology from them and compassionate leave as I am exhausted!

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BakerStreetSaxRift · 11/01/2014 11:01

Maybe if they offer you your job you could say that their actions have made your position completely untenable? Even if they do offer you your job back, I'd still pursue you case.

seventiesgirl · 28/01/2014 23:00

Any update nicecuppa?

cjel · 28/01/2014 23:18

I have only just read this and hope you are ok?x

nicecupoftea2013 · 30/01/2014 20:42

Well I had my appeal/first ever meeting 7 working days ago and still no decision, despite a polite reminder.

I now have to go for a job interview with the manager who didnt want me to have the other job! It was him who made me "redundant" even though he wasnt on the panel.

To make it worse, this interview is Monday. My last ever day in work.

I am scared that it is just a way of getting rid of me and the interview is a "tick box" approach. That they are holding back the appeal decision on purpose to time it with the interview.

I am scared of being unemployed, but if I get the job I wont be happy as my trust and confidence has gone in the managers. The whole place has poor morale even though my colleagues are great people.

I am just so exhausted from the past few months, but I will still attend the interview.

Does anyone have any tips for Monday? How to give a good interview feeling it is predetermined outcome, but I know it could be another reason to add to my case.

I feel sick with it all, so Sunday night I will be even worse.

OP posts:
mummydarkling · 30/01/2014 22:02
Flowers Hope it goes well and even if you don't get the result you want you still have your integrity something the bosses are lacking.
DPotter · 30/01/2014 23:30

Go in with guns blazing Nice ! If you feel its a done-deal - there's nothing to loose; So dress to kill, throw your shoulders back, chin up and breath. Run thru potential questions before hand - what would you bring to this role / can you give examples of when you have successfully completed something . Maybe think of questions they asked at the previous interview and go over your answers.
oh and look the panel members squarely in the eye - just to let them know you are someone who should be taken seriously.

Best of luck

Jaynebxl · 30/01/2014 23:44

What a horrible mess. Here's hoping you can get a better job elsewhere and be free of them.

EBearhug · 30/01/2014 23:59

If it were me, there would be two things I'd want to achieve:

  1. Do the best interview I possibly could, to show them they made a mistake (and to give me breathing time to get a job where I'd be appreciated.)
  2. Use it as interview practice for the jobs I'll be applying for after this. You already think it's a done deal, so use it for your own ends.

Think about the questions you had in the last interview - were there some you could have answered better? If so, think up how you'd answer it better.

Like DPotter says, think about what you would bring to the role and so on.

Go through the projects and so on you've worked on in the last year and earlier. Remind yourself of things you've done well, and have them in your head, so you've got examples of things you've done well. Focus on STAR - situation, task, action, result. This is all good stuff to work on anyway, because if you don't get it, you'll be applying elsewhere, so it's worth spending time on.

Dress the part, and think about your body language - make sure you're sitting up straight, not hunched over. Firm handshake, look them in the eye. It's fine to pause before answering a question - it shows you're thinking about it. Also think about your breathing, particularly if you get nervous. It can help to calm you and focus you to think about your breathing before you go in, to consciously breathe more slowly and deeply, because that's how we breathe when we're calmer - nerves make it faster and shallower, and consciously breathing more slowly can help trick your body into thinking you are calmer than you really are.

It may also be worth considering what questions you have for them. Not the real questions (Why are you all so useless? Why are we bothering with this, when you've clearly already made up your minds?) - but questions about what this particular role might include, or development opportunities.

Good luck!

DPotter · 02/02/2014 18:21

Good luck for tomorrow!

nicecupoftea2013 · 03/02/2014 18:36

I am so proud of myself as I gave a fantastic interview.

There were four people on the panel, (usually three) so they were obviously trying to intimidate me. When I told my colleagues about the members they said "Cow/nasty" etc about every single panel member.

But I gave a great interview. One panel member started off by being "fake charming" but ended by giving me the evil eye.

If I am turned down now, then it is another case for the tribunal as I have evidence that I have been doing parts of this job!!! So two suitable alternative jobs not offered to me.

I dont really care about work now, but I am pleased I stood up for myself. I hope I get the job, then they leave me alone, and I can concentrate on getting out as soon as possible. I would rather look for work while I am working, than being on the dole.

Still no decision from the appeal though.

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innisglas · 03/02/2014 19:43

It all sounds awful but I so admire you for your fight, which is not just for you but helps everyone. Best wishes

Hissy · 03/02/2014 19:46

Good for you love! Have to admire your spirit and fight! Go you! :)

BakerStreetSaxRift · 03/02/2014 20:14

Well done today, you should be very, very proud of yourself.

And now you know, even when faced with such a hostile interview panel as today, you can knock it out of the park in other interviews when you leave this appalling company, hopefully in your own time.

MooMaid · 03/02/2014 22:06

Just read this and has made me so angry!! I have everything crossed for you and well done for sticking up for yourself.

Even more fingers crossed that you find a better job and can tell them to shove their job up their arse you're resigning

nicecupoftea2013 · 04/02/2014 17:47

Well I have been failed the interview I had yesterday and also turned down for my appeal!

I have emails saying they wont offer me my advertised job as I would never be capable of learning the job even with training and support!! Another email from someone doing the "new" job says it is exactly the same job. I have lots of other evidence too.

Their appeal answer ignores all the evidence, and say that I lied about everything.

So my redundancy is official. Another colleague who was sacked for no genuine reason, believes they dont care and will just pay the money in a tribunal because it is cheaper than paying wages.

I will fight it, as I would prefer to work. But I need to be realistic that I am facing redundancy and I am so scared.

I private rent two bedroom flat, but my sons have just left home, so I now have the bedroom tax! They will be returning from uni so I need to keep the bedroom that they share.

The unemployment office is awful now, the clients I work with tell me awful stories.

I think I am in shock as I know I have been wronged.

I am also scared because my youngest left home Sunday, so I will be home alone all the time which isnt healthy for me. Spending days not speaking to adults will really get to me.

Ba***S!

I know I want to leave there, but I would prefer to work until I get another job. I will miss the people I work with, (not the managers!) I need structure and purpose in my life especially as my son has just left home.

I am in shock and have to go now. I am in the house alone and just need a hug x

OP posts:
Crazy4U · 04/02/2014 17:57

I have no words of advice but can offer a (((hug))).

Igglywiggly · 04/02/2014 18:01

Oh you poor thing!

hug<

What a terrible time you've had. The way you have dealt with it has been an inspiration and shows what absolute fools your managers are. Hopefully another employer will see your intelligence, grace and fortitude and snap you up.

3littlefrogs · 04/02/2014 18:25

Can you sign up with an agency? Would it be worth meeting with or writing to your MP?

RandomMess · 04/02/2014 18:32

I admire you so much for fighting them. I would go to the drs and get it written down on your notes at how much the stress has affected you - may lead to a larger payout at tribunal?

Private rentals are exempt from bedroom tax I believe?

Can you go and do some voluntary work just to get out of the house and keep some structure?

I have to say, you rock, I'm not sure I could have attempted what you have done.

enriquetheringbearinglizard · 04/02/2014 18:38

I had read your thread before OP and am very sorry to hear this latest setback.

Please keep your head held high and do take all the advice available to put the right wheels in motion. I totally appreciate your point of view and offer my virtual support, for whatever use that is.
Good Luck Thanks

nicecupoftea2013 · 15/02/2014 23:43

I am appealing my "set up" interview and will see what happens. The feedback says my scores are too low to even consider training for me, but it doesn't say what my scores are! But I am appealing on the grounds that I am intelligent and capable of learning "on the job" training in a reasonable time etc

This appeal will either get me a job, or it will add to my tribunal case.

So far I have:
Failure to follow legal dismissal procedure
Unfair selection-based on interview alone (not telling me required scores and criteria)
Not a redundancy- the job in the restructure is exactly the same
Failure to offer work in redeployment
Failure to offer any suitable work

One thing I do know, is that I am not accepting an out of court settlement. I will go to a tribunal.

I have lost trust and confidence in them so I dont believe I will win this appeal. It almost feels like a conspiracy now as so many people are involved.

My notice period has ran out now so I feel sad about it all. I enjoyed my job and had some lovely colleagues.x

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Jaynebxl · 16/02/2014 07:22

So sorry to hear it worked out like that. Can't remember if this was talked about before but are you in a union?

Misspixietrix · 16/02/2014 07:37

OP do you have proof of attending every day in December? Did you have a clocking in/out system you can get hold of?

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