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AIBU?

So Fusillier Lee Rigby's killers have pleaded Not Guilty to his murder.

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InsanityandBeyond · 29/11/2013 22:50

Un fucking believable that they are able to do this. IMO they don't even need a trial do they? The police did that poor lad a real disservice when they did not shoot them dead. They must be laughing their fucking heads off at us.

A real deterrent for future deranged fundamentalists. Commit a horrific murder in broad daylight on busy streets with no fear of intervention, then be detained in comfort and safety, and be allowed to make an absolute mockery of the poor victim's family's grief. Have it replayed all over the media again whipping up more publicity and sympathisers while insisting you have done nothing wrong.

Absolutely sickened and ashamed of this country.

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GoodNeighbour · 29/11/2013 23:11

They may will consider themselves not guilty of 'murder', the legal definition of murder, not what you or I consider to be murder.
It's not just the killing, it's the intent to kill.

DoubleLifeIsALifeOfSorts · 29/11/2013 23:11

We should not let our legal system become less fair and true just because of some murdering scum. We demean ourselves if we do so.

(also leading the way for future miscarriages of justice)

I agree with other posters, save your anger for the murderers, not the justice system.

Daykin · 29/11/2013 23:11

FFS, you're 'ashamed' to live in a country that doesn't just declare people guilty and then execute them?

TheCraicDealer · 29/11/2013 23:17

So what should do instead? Just lock them up without a trial? Because that won't turn them into martyrs for their "cause" or anything, will it?

Catch yourself on and stop being hysterical. Internment without trial has historically not worked all that well for the British Government in the past.

MeMySonAndI · 29/11/2013 23:18

These people did that to stir people, to create hate and to destabilise a society that has been very successful in integrating a lot of different cultures, languages, races and religious inclinations into one.

These murderers have explicitly said that their purpose was to incite people into the things we as a society try to avoid. I think OP you are getting caught in the trap they set for all of us. By not responding to the provocation, we are not doing what they set to accomplish.

NewtRipley · 29/11/2013 23:24

OP

I think you are just venting?

Totally agree with MeMysonand I

NewtRipley · 29/11/2013 23:25

Of course they won't get off.

Tweasels · 29/11/2013 23:30

MeMySonAndI - brilliant post. Exactly that.

InsanityandBeyond · 29/11/2013 23:34

Yes I am venting. I find it unbelievable this atrocity was committed by the these perpetrators in front of the public then calmly discussed afterwards all the while being filmed and then they plead 'not guilty'.

Lee's family now have to go through this 'farce' so their agony will be further prolonged for weeks just to give them a platform to justify their 'cause'.

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JaquelineHyde · 29/11/2013 23:37

What you don't seem to understand is that they wanted to be killed.

They were desperate for the police to shoot them dead.

They wanted to become martyrs, by killing them you would have just given them exactly what they wanted.

As far as refusing to accept a not guilty plea, are you mad? What other crimes would you suggest we use this new kind of justice for?

RedPencils · 29/11/2013 23:42

Of course they're going to plead not guilty, they want their day in court to justify their actions. I imagine they believe it was the right thing to do. Course they won't get off. there's a street full of witnesses, there's videos of them doing it.

ABitterPIL · 29/11/2013 23:46

I personally think there should be a media blackout on everything but the verdict and sentance. Publicity is exactly WHY they carried put this awful act and the reasonhave pleaded not guilty. We should starve them of it.

ABitterPIL · 29/11/2013 23:49

Although the non sensible side of me thinks the judge should have the option of saying. "Fuck off you are on several different cameras, were arrested at the scene and one of you blew your own fucking finger off. I am not wasting the cash on this farce of a trial."

But that would probably be used as a justification too so my first idea was better.

Daykin · 29/11/2013 23:51

A media blackout would be it's own publicity. 'Tried is secret' and all that. Surely it's best to put them through the same justice system as everybody else.

MeMySonAndI · 29/11/2013 23:52

I think pleading non guilty is part of their provocation plan. By pleading non guilty they will be in the news for months to come and use that time and court appearances as a tool to express what they wanted to say and continue to polarise society.

If they had been killed they would have seen as holy martyrs by some extremists. Now they have got a voice in court they have got themselves a stage for their views to be broadcasted all around the country.

NewtRipley · 29/11/2013 23:52

ABitter

I sort of agree. i thtink my own feeble way of not giving them attention is not reading about or watching news about the trial.

maddening · 29/11/2013 23:53

I agree it is so all the details are kept in the news - they want coverage

ABitterPIL · 29/11/2013 23:54

I dont think I mean a forced media blackout i mean one where the media just decide against it.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/11/2013 23:55

Justice has to be done and SEEN to be done.

If we really are wanting not to be a tiny island in a sea of shit, shouldn't we try to show how great our systems are. I look at 'justice' in some other countries and shudder. Maybe there will be people in some other countries who will watch our system work and think, "maybe we should get us some of that". You never know.

Daykin · 29/11/2013 23:55

Yes, that would be good.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/11/2013 00:01

I am sure they are going to plead 'insanity'
I very much doubt it. 'I did this for my cause... oh, wait no I was mad' - no, they won't do that.

As just about everyone has said, we should be proud to live in a country which has a justice system. Don't stoop to their level. They will gain more disgust and moderates distancing themselves as far as possible from their actions than sympathy, whereas what you suggest would gain them sympathisiers.

Daykin · 30/11/2013 00:04

Haven't they already said their defence is 'retaliation'

nauticant · 30/11/2013 00:08

You seem to be arguing that in certain circumstances people taken to court must be forced enter a guilty plea so that they can automatically and immediately be sentenced.

Have a look at the regimes that have had this kind of system and then let us know whether you want us to follow their example.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/11/2013 00:09

Haven't they already said their defence is 'retaliation'

That doesn't sound like a defence under our laws.

Bogeyface · 30/11/2013 00:10

They have probably pleaded guilty so they can fight for their cause, as they believe it.

They see themselves as martyrs to the cause, and admitting guilt would mean that they wouldnt be martyrs. When they have their time in court they will be able to "sell" their beliefs, justify what they did in the name of their beliefs and be a role model to the next generation of "martyrs".

Its fucked up, but free speech and a legal system that allows people to be tried by their peers is still preferable to the alternative of someone being tried, convicted and sentenced by the police, media or public outcry.

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