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To not want to help this child out?

40 replies

Etainagain · 28/11/2013 22:13

My son goes to a weekly activity and when I found out that a boy in his school shares the same interest, I offered to take him along too. My son wasn’t really friends with him as the boy is in Year 6 and my son is in Year 4, but they get along fine. The journey takes about half an hour by bus in the rush hour. The boy was well behaved and polite at first, but after about four weeks his behaviour began to deteriorate. He is rude to me and to to the coach, he demands so much attention that it is practically a private lesson for him (my son pushes himself forward a bit but the other children are really polite and can’t get a word in edgeways) and his behaviour and language is often inappropriate. Now I get my son asking me what paedo means, what blow jobs are and what humping means (usually very loudly on the crowded bus...yes, my son is no angel either!). A few weeks ago, I told his mum very gently that I was finding his behaviour difficult to cope with. She said that he has mild Aspergers, but that his behaviour wasn’t acceptable and that she would talk to him. But she was very distressed by what I said and started crying and told me how difficult she finds it to cope with him. I felt awful about upsetting her, but she did talk to him and things improved for a short time. Now we’re back to the bad behaviour and although I understand that he can’t help much of what he says and does, I’ve really had enough. I don’t want to take him anymore, but don’t know how to tell his mum given her past reaction. I think she only hears criticism about her son, which must be hurtful. I’m torn between chickening out and basically lying (saying we’re not going anymore, but I could get caught out), or just being honest and asking her to take him instead. Or maybe I should just be a bit more charitable and carry on taking him (not sure his mum would have the time to do it). What do you think I should do?

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Etainagain · 29/11/2013 09:19

Thanks everyone. My son got to know this child at a school club offering this activity. When the school club stopped running, I had to look further afield to carry on with the activity, hence the rather long bus trip. Then a club started up in our town, so now we go to both and so does the other boy. So, if he doesn't come with me once a week, he'll still get to do the club in our town. But his mum says he loves the club in the other town which makes me feel mean if I don't take him along. I don't think his mum is manipulative, she is just struggling to cope with a child who was only diagnosed with Aspergers five months ago. I don't know whether she has been given any help or advice about coping strategies. She seems slightly ashamed about his diagnosis (she practically whispered it when she said it), so I don't feel comfortable asking her too much. It could be a cultural thing as the family are not British. I suppose I also hadn't realised how hard travelling on a very crowded bus must be for this boy. He refuses to hold on for some reason, so he falls over other people if I don't grab hold of him on time which is rather awkward as he's big for his age. I tried taking a less crowded bus but it takes a longer route and twice the time and the journey was even worse because he was so bored!

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Hullygully · 29/11/2013 09:25

what balloon said

IsItMeOr · 29/11/2013 09:32

I think you are doing a very kind thing for a mum who you clearly appreciate has a lot on her plate.

I also think that it's okay for you to decide it's not working for you any more. It's going to be disappointing for her, and she may well cry because, as you recognise, she's having a tough time of it at the moment. That doesn't make her manipulative, just struggling to cope. But you can't control her behaviour, only yours.

Hope it works out well for you and her. It's clear you'll be kind whichever way you choose to deal with this.

Etainagain · 29/11/2013 09:33

I actually hadn't considered that maybe he doesn't like the activity. I know it is something his family are pleased he is doing, so maybe he's trying to keep everyone happy. Actually, when his behaviour improved, I'm not sure whether it was his mum or his dad who spoke to him about it at home. The next time I saw him he was with his dad and he was a different child. He was calm, relaxed and happy. I'm not sure if it was his dad who made the difference or if it was just a good day. He still misbehaves when his mum is around. At least if she came along it would be up to her to deal with his behaviour, but I'm not sure it would improve and I really don't think she would come along anyway for the reasons above. I do genuinely like her and her son.

Carvedpumkin, what did you mean by a social story type conversation? Any ideas about what I should say to him? I keep talking about good behaviour, but I'm not sure that he can help the way he acts. I have tried to read up about Aspergers, but I couldn't really find any information about coping strategies for him and me! So, any help would be much appreciated.

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Birdsgottafly · 29/11/2013 12:39

"I don't think his mum would take him because of the time"

Tough shit, basically.

I didn't drive whilst mine were very young, so it took whole evenings for them to do an hour activity.

My eldest had ADHD, she needed to go trampolining, swimming etc, or she didn't sleep. My youngest has LD's and communication problems.

So I considered it important to be around both of them so I could correct behaviour and work on what needed improvement (eye contact, acknowledgement etc).

I take out a child with complex problems, I had to speak honestly with her Mym because her behaviour was deteriorating, because it was unchecked.

Some of her issues were not stemming from her SN al

Birdsgottafly · 29/11/2013 12:41

Sorry, alone.

As a parent you need to put more time into a child with SN, it is tough and draining, but you cannot hand this over to other, other than local SN provision.

She needs to be in the class to help him understand boundaries and the needs of others.

Birdsgottafly · 29/11/2013 12:44

", what did you mean by a social story type conversation? Any ideas about what I should say to him? I keep talking about good behaviour, but I'm not sure that he can help the way he acts. I have tried to read up about Aspergers, but I couldn't really find any information about coping strategies for him and me! So, any help would be much appreciated."

You intentions are good, but this lad is hitting the teen years and his Mum needs to be building their relationship.

Where will your involvement leave your own son?

You taking him occasionally is fine, but they need to step upto the mark, tbh.

Birdsgottafly · 29/11/2013 12:49

If he is newly diagnosed and they are "ashamed" perhaps they are not looking at what support is available in your LA. There will be travel training for his age group.

You shouldn't be that responsible for him, he is going to injure someone or you.

I wonder if he is just crying out for his parents attention.

Birdsgottafly · 29/11/2013 12:52

"I don't think his mum would take him because of the time it takes (it's 45 mins each way door to door) and also because of the cost (she would need to purchase an adult fare and money is tight). I "

Sorry, don't want bang on, but if he needs supervision for leisure and social proposes, he may be entitled to at least the lower level DLA.

They need the right personal advice, a local charity will be the best starting point.

ceebie · 29/11/2013 12:53

Do you think that the Dad is better at managing his behaviour and if so, could you discuss the situation with him? You could be honest and explain that you like his son and would be happy to bring him but that you are struggling to manage his behaviour which is obviously important not only to you, but also to the group.

However, this is not something which can be simply resolved. If you are to keep bringing him, you need more advice about how to manage him yourself - ie as you are briefly in charge of him you will need to take on parenting him for that duration, and not shy away from it. If you are not willing to untertake that commitment, I'm not sure that you'll be able to continue.

Liliuk · 29/11/2013 13:06

I think you should just say to her mum the truth; you struggle to manage his behaviours because they are too complex for you to respond appropriately (managing behaviours In the autistic spectrum is a whole subject on its own).

I think she will be more grateful to you that you have tried at all and told her the truth.

For all those who said the mum was manipulative because she started to start crying, try to imagine her life 10 mn. She cried because life with a child on the autistic spectrum is really hard (yes I am one of those) and sometime you wish you could explain to others your child behaviours but you simply can't, it just becomes too much to explain and you melt down. As simple as that.

ElsieMc · 29/11/2013 13:19

I think you have been very kind and generous already. I feel you are now being taken advantage of and what was previously an enjoyable event for yourself and your son has been hijacked and has become stressful. What will you do if his behaviour gets out of hand?

You need to tell his mother you cannot take him any more before the next session. Do not feel guilty or be swayed by the issues involved.

HotDogSlaughter · 29/11/2013 13:34

You are definately being taken advantage of here. You sound v lovely but the time has come to knock this on the head.

pigletmania · 29/11/2013 13:38

Just say no it's not working. It was very kid of you to do what you have done, it dies sund like the boy has his mother in his pocket.

pigletmania · 29/11/2013 13:47

Her reasons for not asking him are not on. So you have to travel tat journey with him and your ds, and have topay his fares. She as to step up and do what other parents have to do, es it is long and difficult ( I don't drive, dd6 has ASD). This boy is also ruini bit for your ds too. I would just tell mum that you find his behaviour difficult, and cannot take him anymore

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