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....to think that when you invite people to visit, you should give them dinner?

68 replies

Financeprincess · 05/11/2013 18:29

DH and I have just returned from a visit to his aunt's house, 300 miles away. She asked us to visit. She's in her sixties, widowed, but young and active. She lives in a house with no mortgage that she's just accepted an offer of £650k on, and has a generous pension to live on.

That sets the financial scene. My problem with her is that she always expects me and DH to pay for everything and it drives me mad.

When she visits us, and she tends to invite herself, she always wants to go out for dinner and drinks, and expects us to pay. This summer, she came for a week and we gave her dinner - cooked or paid for by us - every night, plus nice lunches and plenty of wine etc. and she never even offered to pay for coffees in a cafe.

However, when we visit her, she never reciprocates. She expects us to take her out to a restaurant, presumably to thank her for her hospitality (although she invites us and we go to please her...she's a nice woman, but it's quite an undertaking visiting her, plus she keeps her house bl**dy freezing, so it's not very comfortable).

We've just returned from one such visit. We were only staying one night, but she'd booked a restaurant and had decided that we'd be going for cocktails first. At the bar, we ordered (the aunt is the 'hang back at the bar' type), then when the bartender told us how much the round was she started fumbling around for pound coins and saying, "How much will mine be?", so to save embarrassment we just paid (£25 for three cocktails). I thought, surely she'll pay for dinner? However, after we'd eaten, she said, "how much is mine?". Not only that, we had a discount voucher for the restaurant - Loch Fyne, to give you an idea of price - and she insisted on seeing the calculations, even though my husband said that it would be about £40. I'd told him before that on no account were we paying for his aunt again, and that we should let her pay, which he accepted reluctantly. Her share was more than £40, but she said that she'd just put £40 on her card, AND she let us leave the tip!!

I was really annoyed, although I couldn't show it. I've started thinking of her as Aunt Sponge (James and the Giant Peach, if you don't get the reference!) because I think she's a shameless sponger. She clearly expected us to pay for her, and didn't seem able to contemplate actually paying for our dinner for once.

It's putting me off visiting her again. Just to reiterate, she is not at all short of money. She's about to downsize, releasing £250k, and was boasting about the £30k kitchens she's been looking at for the new house. She also goes on lots of lavish holidays.

Am I being unreasonable to think that this woman is simply tight?? I wouldn't dream of asking somebody to travel hundreds of miles to visit me then expecting them to pay for their own dinner, let alone mine too!

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Talkinpeace · 05/11/2013 19:51

another vote for

"we stopped at the supermarket on the way up - pop the oven on as its ready meals"

or

"cant go out as contagious, what's in your cupboards and I'll cook" and then use EVERY ONE OF HER PANS

Strokethefurrywall · 05/11/2013 19:57

Or just call her on it. The problem with tight bastards like this is that nobody ever will tell it to their face that their tightness is unacceptable. Perhaps it might shame her into reflecting on her behaviour.

And sixties is not "old" - if she can afford a 30k kitchen and has just released 250k in equity, she can afford to treat you all to a lovely dinner and wouldn't be "fumbling" for change to pay her share. She's playing you. Don't let her!

pointyfangs · 05/11/2013 20:35

I don't think it's a generational thing either, some people are just tight. My PIL were always generous to a fault - they weren't poor, but they put the four of us up for a fortnight at a time (they were in the US so not exactly popping over for the weekend territory) and it was really really hard for us to pay for our share of the groceries. It became something of a battle of wits, fortunately one which was very good natured and which we all enjoyed.

My parents are also very generous, they are wealthy and scrupulously fair in giving things to me and my DSis. They're in Holland and not in good health, so whenever we are over we always come bearing gifts, because with my mum I have no chance in the battle of wits.

Financeprincess · 05/11/2013 20:51

Thanks ladies! Makes it easier to deal with when you know that other people have had the same experience. Good tips, thank you.

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tinyturtletim · 05/11/2013 20:57

Completely morbid I know...

However how do you know she won't leave everything to your dh? Especially as you make the effort with her

MistressDeeCee · 05/11/2013 20:59

Well, being that tightfisted is one way to get rich, I supposeSmile

I agree with Strokethefurrywall. Just call her out on it. People like her rely on people being too embarassed or afraid of confrontation to say anything. Id tell her straight..perhaps try to soften it a bit but if she takes it the wrong way then its a case of oh well..tough. However its said, she isnt going to like it anyway even though its the truth that she's a scrounger.

Talkinpeace · 05/11/2013 21:04

ooh a really sneaky one at restaurants

make a real point, whenever the service staff are in ear shot
"thank you so much for bringing us here, its really kind of you, a real treat"

ask her to choose the wine "as she's the hostess"

they will put the bill in front of her and you both get up to use the rest room while she settles it Grin

DownstairsMixUp · 05/11/2013 21:05

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Financeprincess · 05/11/2013 21:10

I have had some good laughs tonight! Thank you!

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carlywurly · 05/11/2013 21:11

Mil is just the same. We buy everything here and at hers. She did cook once on our last visit - an asda smart price curry tin between 3 with some old rice. I insisted on cooking the night after that. Wink

She is a pro at standing back when it comes to bill time and never says thank you either. These people seem to have an amazing sense of entitlement.

Talkinpeace · 05/11/2013 21:14

With some people you cannot win though.
We took a family member out for a meal whenever we saw them.
Turns out they had disinherited us because we were clearly too well off. No, we just had manners.
Will never forgive them lying to our faces about fairness just a week before they died.

On a lighter note, my wonderful grandfather was the king of the slow wallet pullers.
Coughing fits from all the other people at the table were the only way to make him flash the cash

jollygoose · 05/11/2013 21:20

yes shes mean and YANBU but keep in there - she might leave you the lot one day!

Mylovelyboy · 05/11/2013 21:39

I have read this post a few times and can honestly say OP that I totally agree with you. She sounds like a right tight old bastard.

Mylovelyboy · 05/11/2013 21:40

Jollygoose has got the right idea Smile

enriquetheringbearinglizard · 05/11/2013 21:45

YANBU and it's not just a generation thing. We've acquired a spouse of an almost relative and he could skin a clementine in his back pocket while wearing mittens.

Any future talk of get togethers I would insist DH said very clearly, sorry but there won't be any eating out because we can no longer afford to pick up the bill, our entertaining budget is on total lockdown.

You either pay when you host or pay when you visit, no one should expect it to be heads they win and tails you lose Hmm

SaucyJack · 05/11/2013 22:59

Actually I do think it's a generational thing- or at least to do with being retired.

Pensioners are generally perceived especially by themselves as being far poorer than younger people in paid employment, when IME it's the current baby boomers that have made hundreds of thousands through property or pension schemes that were worth investing in that actually have the most disposable income IYSWIM.

TrucksAndDinosaurs · 06/11/2013 00:49

I would say 'we really enjoy your company but we just can't afford to eat out at posh places: we are happy to share home cooking with you or an M+S dine in for £10 deal or an inexpensive takeaway but if you don't like that sort of thing we will have to see you less frequently and save up for an annual treat!'

firesidechat · 06/11/2013 03:59

And that's how people like that get rich

I was just going to say that Puking. I know a few people like this and they are all very comfortably off. You don't get rich by splashing the cash. The worst thing is that when you go out with them they don't tip! Hate that.

firesidechat · 06/11/2013 04:02

Probably ought to add that I don't think all rich people are tight.

Caitlin17 · 06/11/2013 05:28

She sounds awful. Why do you bother. The it's a generational thing is nonsense. You said she's in her 60s, well I'm in my 50s and I don't behave like that. My mother in her 70s and Mil in 80s doesn't.

What is so special about her that you even consider continuing visiting or having her as a visitor? The whole idea of having her as a visitor or visiting her sounds ghastly. Presumably the week at yours was just a free holiday. Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty astonished at the idea of a relative even staying as long as a week.

dimsum123 · 06/11/2013 05:53

My sis in law invited us for lunch. Closer to the time shesaid she couldn't be bothered to cook and could we go halves on a takeaway! AND this is after she and her family had been to stay at our place many many times and had 3 meals a day cooked for them from scratch plus snacks and drinks.

Some people are Aunty and Uncle Sponge. It's just a shame that we're related.

dimsum123 · 06/11/2013 05:57

If she might leave the lot to you tread carefully about calling her on the sponging!

Peanate · 06/11/2013 06:55

My mum does this - drives us all barmy. DH and I suck a lot if it up though as she does help a lot with our kids. She's generous in other ways too - just incredibly stingy with money.

She invited us and some other family over for a BBQ a few weeks ago. Her contribution for dinner was a salad and a 6 pack of those nasty precooked mystery meat sausages - for 5 adults and 2 kids. Um...?

DH did a mercy dash to the supermarket to get enough decent food so no one starved.

echt · 06/11/2013 07:27

Can't believe the advice to suck up to her in case she leaves you money. hmm] Grabby, presumptuous and unlikely to bear fruit.

Definitely call her on it. I'd expect to take the host(ess) out for a meal if I was staying a week. Otherwise I'd pitch up with flowers/wine/pudding, and offer to cook some nights. This is what I'd expect as a host, too.

For a single visit as suggested by the OP, I'd phone ahead to prevent the expensive restaurant.

Snog · 06/11/2013 07:38

be blunt. If she is staying a few days to home cook meals then wants to go out, ask if it is her treat before you go. if she says no tell her you expected it would be as she is staying at your expense and you are looking after her all week.if she says " we usually pay our own way at restsurants" say "and do you think that is fair?"