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To Give Endless Support (Sex Related)

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DitzyCorona · 01/11/2013 12:25

I've hit the end of my teether and need to be told either I'm being a bitch or I'm justified in feeling hurt/angry. I've NC too btw...

I've been with my OH the better part of a decade now, we've always had a troublesome sex life and I'm at my wits end. In short, my partner is indifferent at best towards sex, they seemingly go through with it to please me (which is not what I want, I want them to 'want' to have it with me). We've spoken at great length over the years about the issues my partner has, they are confidence based. My partner maintains they were born without the 'sex' gene and the whole thing makes them feel awkward and they'd rather run a mile from it. I've been very supportive over the years, I haven't pushed my desires on them, or forced them into doing anything they wouldn't want to. I've been completely at the mercy of their sexual appetite and sometimes we can go 12 or so months without before I pluck up the courage to approach the subject again with them. When we first met they seemed to want me all the time, now I look back and think it was a bit of an act really to hook me in.

The problem is the constant rejection from them is making me feel worthless and unattractive. Yet when I bring this up with them they tell me that I'm crowding them and it makes them feel even less inclined to have sex. So as a result I back off, be the caring doting partner, and generally go all out to make them feel special and there's no pressure. My partner takes this as a green light to put even less effort in and becomes even more detached, the whole time my self worth is plummeting. When I tell them I don't feel attractive to them, they tell me they give me compliments all the time (you look nice in that etc) and I counter by saying I need more than that, words are easy to say (and tbh they're delivered with a completly automatic delivery, ie meaningless). In the rare occasions it does happen, It's entirely predictable and very unsatisfying. My partner will do things they think I want in bed (whether physical or mental) but I know it's just an act, so it's meaningless again.

I have asked my partner to consider counselling, they're very much against it and refuse us to pay for such things. I've wondered if they're A-sexual and asked them (and stating it's fine if they are, it would explain things) and they're 100% adamant they're not A-sexual. They want kids at some point in the future (IVF??...who knows). So for the better part of a decade I've been very sensitive to their needs, been supportive beyond what any of my peers have stated they'd give their partners. I kinda blew my top this week at my partner saying I've had enough of being an effective 'best friend' to them and I'm worn out with the constant rejection and feeling of worthlessness. Of course my partner has reacted badly to this and immediately started saying this is pressuring them and I'm being really unsupportive.....erm hello I've just spent the better part of a decade holding their hand through everything, yet I'm not allowed myself to be unhappy with it.

I suppose AIBU to not give out endless support without expecting some allowance of my own frustrations to permitted to be aired and taken onboard? Away from the sex issue we're a normal run of the mill couple, there for each other in every other way and very tight with each other, this is just one large cesspit of misery that's not allowed to be discussed it seems.

Anyone else been here before?? Any advice what to do/not to do? I can't face another decade of feeling worthless, yet I feel awful about even considering to leave them over it. I don't think I'd leave (there's more to life than sex) but I'm just dying inside here.

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MammaTJ · 01/11/2013 12:56

I personally would not stay in a relationship like this. It would not be for me at all.

I would also not expect my partner to put up with it.

If it were as simple as 'You don't do enough around the house, so I am too tired', then this could and should be talked about and resolved, so it is not that, or it is refusal to talk about that.

Itstartshere · 01/11/2013 12:57

I think it sounds soul destroying, I'd very quickly feel very rejected and lose confidence. I couldn't stay in a relationship like that for 10 years. You have every right to want to sort it out with counselling, or get out.

Btw, I'm guessing the OP is male and the partner is female but I have a friend who is androgynous and likes to be referred to as 'they.' I know it's unlikely to be the situation here but it is some peoples' preferred pronoun.

DamnBamboo · 01/11/2013 12:57

Well the first sentence of their OP says something about them being a bitch, which whilst in theory you could use for anybody, it's typically what people call women. That and wanting to be told they look nice (most men don't give a shit)...

OP I believe is woman and based on other info, I think OPs partner is a male.

It really doesn't matter though does it.

OP has been a bloody saint.

paperlantern · 01/11/2013 13:00

If there isn't a medical or health reason why she doesn't want sex and isn't prepared to work with you to find a solution you are both happy with, then you have your answer

KirjavaTheCorpse · 01/11/2013 13:01

If what you are getting from your relationship is not enough and is making you unhappy, then you need to leave. Life is too short.

Hegsy · 01/11/2013 13:16

I sympathise OP my DH sex drive is lower than mine but we make compromises and work on it. Longest we have been 'dry' though is maybe 6 weeks. He's also a 'once a night guy' where as I have had partners before who have been ready to go straight away again, but, we're happy, we make it work and both have the same end goal.

TBH you sound unhappy and I think if I was you i'd be walking away.

rainbowfeet · 01/11/2013 13:17

Before I separated from my exh we rarely had any kind of physical contact... I just never felt in the mood with him. We had lots going on in our lives & I was quite down with all these complications. I pushed him away as a result without even recognising or accepting I was doing so.
I remember one conversation on the subject where he said "do you know how long it's been since you've cuddled me or touched me affectionately "? I hadn't a clue & he said "7 months"!!
I just didn't feel that way about him anymore, in our last dire 2 years together we slept separately for most of it & had sex twice I think!! Hmm
I also have body confidence issues in a big way (I'm a under the duvet, lights out type)!! But I simply stopped fancying him!! But have had a great sex life in a couple of relationships since, put simply if you desire someone you want to have lots of sex with them.

Sorry if I haven't helped much, but I'm guessing your partner loves you as a person. & your life together but just doesn't desire you sexually & knows no amount of date nights, or therapy is going to change that. If there's no spark there's no spark I'm afraid.

WhereYouLeftIt · 01/11/2013 13:19

You have been together for 10 years, no children, so the only two people to consider are you and your partner.

You and your partner have very different sex drives. A problem, but not an insurmountable one. However, the stance your partner is taking is a very big problem, and IMO probably fatal to your relationship.

It seems to me that they are using your normal sex drive to control your behaviour - "The problem is the constant rejection from them is making me feel worthless and unattractive. Yet when I bring this up with them they tell me that I'm crowding them and it makes them feel even less inclined to have sex. So as a result I back off, be the caring doting partner, and generally go all out to make them feel special and there's no pressure. My partner takes this as a green light to put even less effort in and becomes even more detached, the whole time my self worth is plummeting." They seem to have all the power in this relationship. You are made to feel 'unsupportive' (WTF?) because you want sex to be at least annual. They have made you feel as if you have to pander to them in the hope of getting some crumb - not even of sex, but of affection Shock.

Reading your OP, the word 'asexual' sprang to mind, but you have asked them if they are and they deny it. Also you say that it was different at the start - "When we first met they seemed to want me all the time, now I look back and think it was a bit of an act really to hook me in." So, if they're not asexual, what are the other possibilities? Sorry, but for me the most likely explanation is that they like having this power over you, to control you, to keep you under. I don't think your partner is a very nice person at all.

A partner who loved you would worry about you, your self-worth, your happiness. I see nothing in your OP to suggest that they do. Plenty to suggest your care of them and their feelings, but nothing coming the other way, just whatever shrivels your self-esteem. And the more your self-worth plummets, the less inclined you'll be to risk getting out of this emotionally (and financially?) abusive relationship and seek happiness elsewhere. So you stay trapped, bound to them and what they want.

So what do you want, DitzyCorona? You need to think about that. Whatever it is, you're not getting it from this relationship. You've hung in there ten years - ten long, unfulfilling years!

You ask "I can't face another decade of feeling worthless, yet I feel awful about even considering to leave them over it. I don't think I'd leave (there's more to life than sex) but I'm just dying inside here."
Please don't consider that you'd be leaving them because of the lack of sex - you wouldn't be. You'd be leaving them because the relationship is bad for you and because, and I'm sorry to say this, because they don't love you Sad. They couldn't possibly behave this way towards you if they cared for you and your happiness.

DitzyCorona · 01/11/2013 13:19

Wow I didn't expect so many replies so quickly...thank you for taking the time.

Yes I've deliberately been evasive in mentioning genders, it's irrelevant, I don't want cliched genderised advice. I'm not going to leave my partner over this, I'm very happy with them in every other way apart from this one subject. They have suggested I just go and have fun elsewhere as they wouldn't leave me if they found out. I was really upset by that as I don't want to go off with other people, I want my OH to want me!! The IVF comment was a kinda 'well if we don't have sex how are we supposed to have children...IVF??'.

In respects to other things getting in the way, yes there's always a house to be cleaned, bills to be paid, we both work full time and lead busy lives. There'll always be something in the way, which is why I feel you have to make time to want to be with each other. We share the chores equally and neither one of us feels more put doing more than the other.

I'm basically accepting deep down it'll never change I suppose, I needed to know though (and it seems i have answers now) if I was unreasonable to lose my rag earlier this week. It's given me some comfort to know I wouldn't of been the only one.

Thx

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DitzyCorona · 01/11/2013 13:28

Whereyouleftit...

Thanks for the long post, appreciate the time took there. I've taken the 'power' aspect from it as the most pertinent advice, as I don't think my partner would believe they're actually doing that, that might be a bit of a wake up call for them to realise that's how it's being percieved. Tbh I hadn't considered it a power thing myself but can see how it would could be taken as that. I more see it as someone utterly paralysed by their mentality and using it as an excuse to avoid confronting it.

What am I gonna do? Nothing at the moment, the whole situation upsets me because everything else my partner does is perfect!! If I was in the market they tick every box several times over, it's why I feel trapped to some degree.

I don't want to leave.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 01/11/2013 13:31

Ditzy, where do you want your life to be in five, ten years time?

DitzyCorona · 01/11/2013 13:40

Exactly where it is...just that my partner finds me sexually attractive and acts on it!

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SlangKing · 01/11/2013 13:40

Every bit as bad as the lack of sex is the deceit (lies) and apparent apathy that appear to have blighted the relationship from the outset. The 'missing sex gene' that wasn't missing in the beginning. Compliments that are only forthcoming when 'fished' for. Small wonder you feel insecure,, the only genuine security you appear to have is a roof and 4 walls. All you seem to get from 'them' are half-baked compliments which - astonishingly - serve their purpose to keep you hanging in there. You don't have kids who might be traumatised by you leaving so I'm struggling to see even a lame reason to stay. If you were comfortable with the 'positives' you list you wouldn't be posting. You're NEVER going to feel any better in that one-way relationship without very significant changes, which I can't see 'them' making.

WhereYouLeftIt · 01/11/2013 14:01

And what if, Ditzy, in five years time you are exactly where you are just now? With a partner who doesn't want to have sex with you, whose rare (and prompted-for) compliments are "delivered with a completly automatic delivery", who refuses to pay for counseling, and whose reaction to you voicing your unhappiness is to say that you're pressuring them?

What boxes do they really tick, Ditzy?

WhereYouLeftIt · 01/11/2013 14:05

I'm honestly not trying to have a go at you Ditzy. What I see from your responses is proof that your self-worth is nil, that the thought of leaving this relationship scares the bejeezus out of you. But you are at breaking point by the sound of it - you described it as "dying inside".

DitzyCorona · 01/11/2013 14:06

Okay 'whereyou...' that's a fair comment...

I can see now why this would've been better of in 'relationships', I looking for a bit more than just 'leave' and quite like to hear other people's experiences. I have to go now for the rest of the afternoon, will check back later.

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paperlantern · 01/11/2013 15:11

I'm not sure there is another option that leave or put up.

Exactly where it is...just that my partner finds me sexually attractive and acts on it!

It rather like a a woman who loves a violent man, " I want to stay with him but I don't want to be hit." well yes you can stay with him but I can pretty much guarantee you will be hit. Get out.

Problem is I don't think your partner wants to change. You aren't going to leave so why would they. If they aren't prepared to explore the reasons why they no longer find you attractive or don't want sex, you can't make them want you. You can't fix a relationship single handed. It has to be a process that you work through together.

Yes in 5 years time you could be in a relationship where your partner finds you sexually attractive and acts on it but I suspect it won't be this one

MrsLouisTheroux · 01/11/2013 20:47

YANBU

jbakedbean · 02/11/2013 02:58

Yabu. I was in a very similar sexual relationship with my now ex. I managed 6 years of feeling rejected, trying everything to work on the lack of sex and in my case affection with him not trying at all.
Looking back We also had no connection to each other, bedroom or otherwise. Thus the break up.

I completely sympathise, constant rejection has negative effects on self esteem and happiness. Esp tough when you are a sexual being and so find it hard to understand how someone isn't interested. My ex wouldn't talk to me about it or do counselling and I didn't want the rest of my life without that feeling of connecting with someone who loves means them wanting to connect with me.

I also found it very tough that I was so keen to make him hAppy and work around his needs yet he had no desire to make me happy.

I'm not saying break up over this but I think a nos balanced sex life is not a happy relationship.

Good luck.

I have now met my Prince Charming who loves connecting with me as much as I do him. X

Eebahgum · 02/11/2013 08:03

Have you tried making it not about sex for a while? Over the next week make a real effort to show her she's loved - run her a bath, give her cuddles and kisses just because, give her genuine compliments about the things you really love about her. At the end of the week make a slow and gentle approach to sex - kisses and cuddles that gradually lead to more. That would work for me. Maybe (like my dp) you've got stuck in a cycle of doing/saying the same things and getting the same result.

womblesofwestminster · 02/11/2013 23:52

Hi Ditzy. Hope you're still checking this thread. I'm in a similar situation to you (but with the extra issue of young children).

Have you had your man's testosterone levels tested? Does he have any other medical issues? (Important Qs).

I've been with my DH for 8 years (married for 3). He has diabetes, which lead to our GP referring us to an NHS sex therapist (2 year waiting list!) We've recently started the therapy and are making some progress. I'd be willing to discuss it with you.

It's FREE. I don't think you have to have a physical condition in order to be referred. I would presume mental distress would be sufficient. Worth seeing your GP, even if you go on your own at first (that's what I did).

I went through a phase of worrying my DH was gay! I had nightmares of finding him in bed with another man. I would wake up shaking. The therapy is helping to rid me of those fears and to see things from DH's perspective. It's also helping him to address his issues (about his childhood, etc) which are causing him to suppress all sexual emotion.

Hope I can help you. Hang in there.

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